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Old 02-12-2008, 07:33 PM   #26
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So how do you suppose they did the face melting scenes in Raiders? I am sure Ainimation was a part of the visual effects of the previous movies.

That was actually a practical effect. They made models of the Nazis out of wax and jello, used a time-lapse camera, and watched it melt in real time. Sped up, it looked like they were melting in seconds.
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Old 02-12-2008, 08:01 PM   #27
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If animation is used, I bet it's for structural things. Let's say they unleash the power of the skull, and the temple starts collapsing around them. They would use CGI animation to show the temple falling apart.

Say what you will about War of the Worlds, but its effects of buildings being crushed were stunning and utterly realistic-looking to the point that it wasn't even a distraction; you just accepted and watched. Spielberg will do it right, whatever it is.
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Old 02-12-2008, 09:31 PM   #28
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Did you even read my post after that? I was just updating you guys with the info. I don't have anything against animation. I'm all for it. ILM has been doing excellent job lately.

Yes, but obviously I didn't take it in. I'm an ignorant sonofab*tch
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Old 02-13-2008, 06:28 PM   #29
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That was actually a practical effect. They made models of the Nazis out of wax and jello, used a time-lapse camera, and watched it melt in real time. Sped up, it looked like they were melting in seconds.

They showed that being done in a documentary. It was amazing!
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:59 PM   #30
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Well hopefully these "rejected" scripts will see the light of day after May. I would love to be able to see all of the influences on this thing.
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:20 AM   #31
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After Darabont's screenplay was turned down, Jeff Nathanson came in and took a revision pass at Darabont's screenplay. Then, Spielberg and Lucas hired Koepp to take another whack at the revised Nathanson draft. He did. And this is the screenplay they are now filming with.
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:43 PM   #32
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1947, but I don't think there's mention of the Roswell UFO, just Area 51 and most likely it won't be by name. Don't believe the fake synopsis you keep seeing.

It seems Roswell is the case now... and with the Nathanson script taking place in 1949... I wonder if he dabbled in these aspects.
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Old 06-14-2008, 01:02 AM   #33
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Well now that we have a "Darabont" script...
Let the search and call for the Jeff Nathanson draft begin!

1949? So we have heard... thats about all I know...

Anyone care to jump into the discussion/search?
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:32 AM   #34
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i'll update this thread for every one who looks at it.

David Koepp got screenplay credits for Indy IV while Jeff Nathanson got story credit alongside George Lucas.
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Old 06-20-2009, 03:58 AM   #35
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Well it has been almost a year since the last post... I want to revive this subject. We have Jeb's "Saucer Men from Mars", we have Frank's "City of Gods" and David's "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull"...

WHERE IS THE MISSING PIECE?

Where is Jeff Nathanson's Draft? I am really interested since he shares a story credit with Georgie boy.

We have dug up the others, now let us try to dig up Nathanson's draft supposedly titled "Indiana Jones and the Atomic Ants"!

It could be a great draft!
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:22 PM   #36
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Just trying to give this thread another nudge. ^ I want to see his crack at the screenplay so badly.

I wonder if it is at all possible to some how acquire this script through the WGA registry?

Is there any way to acquire the missing link "Nathanson's draft"?
Some how? ANYONE?!
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:09 PM   #37
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WHERE IS THE MISSING PIECE?
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36806
It's in Moriarty's Laboratory. But don't bother asking Drew McWeeny, he says
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:45 PM   #38
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It's in Moriarty's Laboratory. But don't bother asking Drew McWeeny, he says

I've not read that review before, and it's probably the best I've read of KOTCS in that he hits the nail right on the head for me- I agree with pretty much every plus and minus point.
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Old 09-29-2009, 02:25 AM   #39
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I've not read that review before, and it's probably the best I've read of KOTCS in that he hits the nail right on the head for me- I agree with pretty much every plus and minus point.

Same here. I've always thought the weakest part of the movie was the final segment in Akator... simply because it unfolds too fast without much real direction. However, I think the better elements of the movie make up for the weaker elements. Whilst KOTCS has never been a "great" Indy movie (IMHO), I've always viewed it as solid/good one.
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Old 09-29-2009, 03:26 AM   #40
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Actually; maybe with one reservation; I think he says it's better than Last Crusade which I can't really agree with.
But yeah, Akator is the weakest bit. I think I said after coming out of the cinema that if I saw one more secret door open I'd go mad.
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:11 PM   #41
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36806
It's in Moriarty's Laboratory. But don't bother asking Drew McWeeny, he says

So in terms of being realistic...

Are we never going to get a Nathanson draft? ...
or do we have to ask the laboratory nicely?
The film is, after all, finished.
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:32 PM   #42
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Over the past 15 months, we've gotten Darabont's, Koepp's, the Raiders Transcript, and the third revision of Crusade (trust me, you haven't read this before). That's nearly half of our script library. These things just stumble in from who-knows-where. It's been a great year.

Happy hunting, Gonzo. Here's what you're looking for:
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First Draft, November 2005
Second Draft, 2005
Third Draft "Atomic Ants" December 2005
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:48 PM   #43
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Thank you Moedred my friend...
So it's a waiting game you say...
Let the wait begin...
I'd like to see Boam's draft too...
Let the wait begin.

In all honesty it has been a pretty generous year, I never thought we would see the raider story transcripts.

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and the rest of this god damn wild turkey."
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Old 04-06-2010, 05:05 PM   #44
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I would like to officially announce my theory of what the Nathanson script may have been based on some things from over the years.

I believe that Nathanson obviously revisited the idea of Indy having an offspring... but instead of a daughter it became a son... but he was not the "biker"/"greaser" son. I think Nathanson's draft included the nerdy more academic dorky son that we heard about in the Crystal Skull special features. That is more of Nathanson's handle anyway, akward and out of place characters. Once again I have never read this script but, it seems logical that this is what the Nathanson draft brought to the table.

I'd love to get my hands on the Nathanson draft. So the search still continues...

(I know I can't let it go... My desire to read the Nathanson draft is insatiable)
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:37 AM   #45
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Don't blame ya, Dr. Gonzo. I'm pretty keen on reading this script too. Thing is though if it was a boy in his script, than who had the daughter version of offspring?
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:09 AM   #46
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Thing is though if it was a boy in his script, than who had the daughter version of offspring?

There is one other writer whose script has yet to see the light of day...

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=15836

that would also be a great script find!

As far as we know the only confirmed writers are Stuart, Boam, Darabont, Nathanson and Koepp. We have 3 of the 5. The more I think about it the more I start to believe that the Boam script must have included the daughter idea that george liked but steven hated. Then 2 drafts later Nathanson revisits the idea of an offspring but as a nerdy academic bookworm dork of a son... which of course one draft later is changed to rebel without a cause biker/greaser. It think that's very plausible.

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Old 04-07-2010, 08:54 AM   #47
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There is one other writer whose script has yet to see the light of day...

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=15836

that would also be a great script find!

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Old 04-07-2010, 08:11 PM   #48
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The more I think about it the more I start to believe that the Boam script must have included the daughter idea that george liked but steven hated.

I thought that occurred during the Darabont phase? Remember, though the script that's on the internet is often referred to as "The Darabont Draft," it is the final of multiple revisions. All the writers involved probably turned in more than one stack of paper over the course of their multiple month tenures on the project. It was my understanding that Darabont worked in the teenaged daughter, possibly on Lucas' suggestion and as a tribute to the Young Indy episode where female offspring is referenced, but Spielberg vetoed it, and the result was no child at all, before the idea was revisited again during the Nathanson era. That's all a combination of speculation and fuzzy memory on my part, though.
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:40 PM   #49
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Okay... after some research in my spare time I have come to the conclusion that we are not gonna see the Nathanson draft anytime in the near future. He is a very private guy... really really private. He did an interview with the former head of New line Cinema and what i got out of it is that he is a very secretive person. he has like twelve screenplays that he's just sitting on... and even though he is capable of selling them... he just won't.

So I officially yield my search

...for now
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Old 01-30-2015, 05:35 AM   #50
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Almost five years since the last post here, and I'm desperate to discover what was in that draft.

I'd like to think it was radically different from that which came before and after - and the rumours of 1949 suggested some kind of change, at least - though surely it was most likely to be a mix of City of the Gods and Kingdom...
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