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Old 03-23-2016, 08:39 AM   #251
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Here is a more recent shot of Ford on Jimmy Kimmel.

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Just slap a fedora on his head with some makeup and good lighting and I think he'll look fine.
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Old 03-23-2016, 08:47 AM   #252
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He should definitely beard up for V. Indy is wise.
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Old 03-23-2016, 08:50 AM   #253
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Re: The Fountain of Youth

Aside from the Pirates franchise handling that McGuffin fairly recently (it's amazing how much On Stranger Tides, as "meh" as it was, felt more like an Indy movie than Crystal Skull), Central America as a location might feel a bit too same-y. We need to get back to the eastern hemisphere in a big way with part five.
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Old 03-23-2016, 09:51 AM   #254
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Aside from the Pirates franchise handling that McGuffin fairly recently (it's amazing how much On Stranger Tides, as "meh" as it was, felt more like an Indy movie than Crystal Skull), Central America as a location might feel a bit too same-y. We need to get back to the eastern hemisphere in a big way with part five.

I want to finally see a cold climate. We've never seen that in an Indy film (aside from a brief stop in Nepal.) Even if it's just for the opening adventure, I think a cold/snowy climate would make a nice change from all the hot jungles and deserts that we always see in Indy films. Although, Indy would look a bit silly wearing the fedora with a big winter coat.
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Old 03-23-2016, 09:56 AM   #255
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Yeah, with Nepal we just had those exterior establishing shots of The Raven, and the Himalayas were mere backdrop for the Temple of Doom plane crash, lasting a matter of seconds.

Mountainous and icy settings don't feel played out the way deserts and jungles do at this point in the film franchise. Similarly, the Coronado sequence was tiny enough in scope that I feel like an open seas Indy set piece is still a pretty untapped resource. There are definitely places they could go with this. And Indy exploring mountain temples and ancient ruins doesn't feel out of place at all for an aged archeologist.
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:28 AM   #256
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I'm reading through the comments and this insane idea hits me, with a high cringe-factor I must add. With everybody throwing out ideas of what they want to see, here's something I definitely do not want to see: we had aliens, or well, interdimensional beings if you insist, so the next clichť would be time travel. What if the McGuffin, whatever it could be, throws Indy back into the past, not physically but mentally like in the Butterfly Effect, his mind suddenly landing back in a younger version in his past. Either that, or it would make him go through a Doctor Who Time Lord regeneration. To repeat myself: I don't want this to happen. But it's one of those ideas that could have come to fruition, perhaps if Lucas had still been on board and they really were paving the road for a younger actor.
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On the subject of macguffins we don't want to see. I hope they don't use something from the previous films, like the Ark has been stolen by someone. The only reason I say that is that although I enjoyed TFA immensely, it was a very simple plot that harked back to the original films in its story and aesthetic look and it makes me wonder if Disney would do a similar thing with Indy and recycle old ideas and stories and play it safe.

In the back of my mind I'd always thought Disney would reboot Indy and do an origins style story featuring Indy and Belloq in some early adventure. But I hope 5 is an all new macguffin and supporting characters.
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:42 AM   #258
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As always, thanks to the newshounds who seek original content from the filmmakers. Here are the Kimmel and BBC Ford quotes destined for the main site. He jokes the "idea" that comes to mind is his payday, but I think he's thinking about a long-favored MacGuffin.
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March 22, 2016
Harrison Ford: "Not now. Iím not quite, Iíll be ready. Iíll be ready. Iím excited about this."
Q: ďDid they finally come up with an idea that you loved?"
Harrison Ford: "Uh, yeah. Yeah!"
Q: ďDid you demand that they kill Indiana Jones?"
Harrison Ford: "No, I havenít read the script. I havenít read the script. Iím talking about the contract! No, no, weíre here to kid around. I mean, seriously. Listen, thatís why we came, right? No, I, listen. The opportunity to work with Steven again on this character that isÖ Spielberg. Spielberg. Yeah. Steven Spielberg. The chance to revisit this character which has brought pleasure to so many people, not to mention me. No, itís fun. Itís great fun to play this character. Itís great fun to work with Steven. Iím looking forward to it. Sure, I can tell you the whole thing right now. So..."

March 22, 2016
Harrison Ford: "Well, I, yeah, I've always thought that there was an opportunity to do another. And, uh, but I didn't want to do it without Steven. And I didn't want to do it without a, you know, a really good script. And happily we're working on both. Steven is developing a script now that I think we're going to be very happy with. Why don't I just tell you everything that happens? No, of course not. No."
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:53 AM   #259
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As always, thanks to the newshounds who seek original content from the filmmakers. Here are the Kimmel and BBC Ford quotes destined for the main site. He jokes the "idea" that comes to mind is his payday, but I think he's thinking about a long-favored MacGuffin.
Having watched the Kimmel interview yesterday, I wondered if he had agreed to do the film anyway as long as Steven was involved without there being a full story in place yet, but just a general idea of what it would be about.

What is the long favoured macguffin?
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We dig snow, Alfred Hitchcock, and noir. Also something called the Dial of Ahaz, along with this picture:



Oh, and maybe go farther away than Hawaii for principal filming? You done good by the Western Hemisphere last time around. Easy way to avoid delving too deep on that family drama, too.

Thanks for the nod, 'Tila. And as I've mentioned here in the past, I am in agreement with keeping Indy off continent for an entire adventure. Solves a lot of fan griping about his era, and the events and characters involved in KOTCS.

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Old 03-23-2016, 12:18 PM   #261
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Indy's brother and the Attila quote he's responding to have got this figured out. I recall us additionally throwing in Van Helsing and Lovecraft as possible touchstones.

They can totally make a good Indy movie with 75-year old Ford. As long as they don't hire back David Koepp, they almost can't lose.

Oh.
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On the subject of macguffins we don't want to see. I hope they don't use something from the previous films, like the Ark has been stolen by someone. The only reason I say that is that although I enjoyed TFA immensely, it was a very simple plot that harked back to the original films in its story and aesthetic look and it makes me wonder if Disney would do a similar thing with Indy and recycle old ideas and stories and play it safe.

Good point. I remember when KOTCS was in development, there were rumors about the Ark appearing in it, and some people speculated that the movie would be about the exact scenario you mentioned-- Villains steal the ark from the warehouse, and it's up to Indy to get it back. Let's hope they never do something like that.

I could definitely see them throwing in some nods to the previous films, but I hope they do it well. For example, the nod in TOD, when Indy is about to reach for his gun to shoot the swordsmen, was perfect. It was subtle, and genuinely funny. The ark's appearance in KOTCS, on the other hand, wasn't subtle or funny, it was just kind of pointless and felt too much like Steven was winking at the audience.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:31 PM   #263
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We need to get back to the eastern hemisphere in a big way with part five.
Eastern seaboard more like, if KOTCS is anything to go by.

"Indiana Jones and the Montauk mistery"

Just kidding. Let's be optimistic and hope that the beards* can be induced to shoot on location abroad again.



*Steve and Harry, I mean.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:32 PM   #264
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Spielberg was happy to shoot his subsequent movies abroad, including his very next [live action] film, War Horse. To me his "I want to shoot close from home" attitude on Indy4 was emblematic of his general That's Good Enough approach toward the project in general.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:39 PM   #265
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And from a business standpoint, while I kind of get the strategy of introducing us to the new actor while we're saying goodbye to the old one, there are liabilities as well. Unless Disney's working faster than any of us suspect and are penning the reboot script in tandem, it seems pointless to commit to the new actor so far ahead of time. Approaching the movie with one foot in the "Indiana Jones 5" mindset and another in the reboot seems like a recipe for making neither work. They'll have their work cut out for them without the extra baggage.
The big issue in this thread and this train of thought is that it represents things from a fan's insular view. And it's not the only example in this thread.

I visited this point earlier in this thread. One of the hard questions Disney has to answer is, who is the targeted audience of this film? Us diehard fans who are bound to see this movie no matter what, or the more general audience? Because the latter won't flock to this film if it's not like the ones made before.

Normally, I'd say that having the name "Indiana Jones" in the title would draw in enough casual viewers to turn a profit. In fact, KotCS is a good example of that. Had the same story been told as part of some new or less known franchise, it would have bombed. However, this film won't enjoy the same treatment - because of KotCS. The fourth installment made money for the specific reason that it was an Indiana Jones movie, but let's not kid ourselves, many people walked out of the theater thinking they had not just seen a good movie. It's even something of an acquired taste with us fans, having required multiple viewings to appreciate its finer points.

This is why I encourage the fans on this forum look at places outside this forum, where they can get the sense from the average viewer. As I scour the web for this first response outside diehard fandom, I can see it's... nothing positive. Most seem to think that after a turd like KotCS (their opinion, not mine) and Ford's advanced age, this one's bound to be even greater trainwreck.

Now, this response of course matters for naught if they pull it off and manage to put together a truly good movie with the pieces in their hand. But if they don't, only established fans are going to see it. And that's when things become difficult, because there just aren't enough of us truly enthusiastic fans for this movie to turn profit. A case in point, just look at this joint around you, The Raven. And then compare it to the fan communities of, say, Star Wars.

A Star Wars film can bank on the practicing fans alone and turn in a pretty buck. Now, I don't presume that every enthusiastic Indyfan frequents these boards (and not only because we've certainly dealt our share of ASBOs over the years), but I can still say with some confidence that an Indiana Jones film can not. If one wants a casual to see this movie, it needs to be like the previous films, a grand swashbucking adventure. They won't flock to a piece that's a "study in aging" or otherwise breaks the formula - especially not after having their minds soured by the previous entry. To get them to flock to this film, it needs to fix pretty much everything that made KotCS such a bad film. And one of those things was that Mr. Ford, in their mind, was too old even back then.

Now, Disney... a word of warning. I'm a fan, and if you intend this film to be primarily a Ford vehicle, I'll see it. I will pay for my seat in the theater and buy the DVD.

But... about 80% of those people who paid to see KotCS... will not.
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Good point, and I fear the same thing. I don't know anyone in real life who likes KotCS as well as I do, and would be as excited as I am about a fifth movie.

I went to Comic Con in Brussels three days ago, there was this panel talking about the new Star Wars, the new Captain America, Batman v Superman, 10 Cloverfield Lane, etc. Then at open question time, part of me wanted to ask what they thought of the news of Indy 5. But another part didn't dare ask, for fear that they'd laugh me away.
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Normally, I'd say that having the name "Indiana Jones" in the title would draw in enough casual viewers to turn a profit. In fact, KotCS is a good example of that. Had the same story been told as part of some new or less known franchise, it would have bombed. However, this film won't enjoy the same treatment - because of KotCS. The fourth installment made money for the specific reason that it was an Indiana Jones movie, but let's not kid ourselves, many people walked out of the theater thinking they had not just seen a good movie. It's even something of an acquired taste with us fans, having required multiple viewings to appreciate its finer points.

You and I may have the suspicion that Crystal Skull diminished the brand, but this is not the kind of reasoning that financial decisions are based on. We refer to them as bean counters for a reason. Numbers are all that matter, and Crystal Skull had the numbers. So, no, I don't think you're taking the point of view of the suits as accurately as you believe.

It goes in the other direction too. It's kind of like how a studio isn't likely to greenlight a sequel to a movie that bombed, even if the reasons it bombed might have been incidental to the movie quality. (Not marketed properly, released in an overly crowded season, national power outage.) When it comes to greenlighting sequels, the previous movie was either a hit or it wasn't. Period. Circumstances and internet raging be damned.

Also, it'll have been 11 years since Crystal Skull when the fifth movie comes out, so they may well cash in on the Indy drought in a similar way that Crystal Skull did. We agree it won't be to the same extent, since Crystal Skull isn't fondly remembered the way Last Crusade is, but a lot of time has passed and that's to Disney's benefit. The prospect of seeing Harrison Ford in the hat again will open the wallets of the rank and file populace. Because it is them, and not the angry online fanbase (a group I count myself among and that tends to show up to the theater anyway) that translate to box office. That's an extremely safe bet and it's no great wonder that Disney has decided to place it.
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You and I may have the suspicion that Crystal Skull diminished the brand, but this is not the kind of reasoning that financial decisions are based on. We refer to them as bean counters for a reason. Numbers are all that matter, and Crystal Skull had the numbers. So, no, I don't think you're taking the point of view of the suits as accurately as you believe.
I wasn't describing what I think they think, rather I was telling them what they should think. But I don't think you're getting it right either given that you allude the bottom line of the last film is the only thing they're looking at. At the very least I hope they have enough of an inkling to recognize they're dealing now with a largely different situation than they were a decade ago.

Whether they draw the same conclusions from that as I did, is anybody's guess. I think what they must realize at least is that using a man in his mid-70s as the leading man of a major action blockbuster is a highly unorthodox idea. (And don't start with TFA, that was an ensemble piece.) They should at least focus test that first.

Of course, then there's the whole dynamic between making one last, one-time cash grab and trying to rejuvenate a franchise. If it were to be the last Indy film ever made, I wouldn't wonder one bit for using Ford and only Ford one last time. But if they have long-lasting plans and hope to milk the IP for multiple movies' worth, starting with something that little resembles the things that follow but may yet offput large part of the audience is generally not a good idea. At least they'd be wise to wait for a few years again before the eventual reboot. Which is would be bad for us fans and more evidence of the Ford fetishists shooting themselves in the leg.
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I think the movie will do about as well KOTCS did. Sure, there were a lot of people who felt let down by KOTCS but people still love the Indiana Jones brand, Harrison Ford is still Hollywood royalty and Spielberg is still one of the world's most beloved filmmakers.

The general reaction I've seen in the blogisphere since the announcement is "Crystal Skull was terrible but I'm hoping they can turn this thing around with this movie" and very little if any "Indiana Jones is dead to me cause Crystal Skull sucked" reactions. People seem to be willing to give Indy another chance and are at least interested to see how they're gonna pull this one off.
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One of the problems in this whole mix is what comes next? Is Disney thinking that they'll respect Steven and Harrison and just wait until they're done making Indy movies before they reboot the whole thing back to the 1930's (a la James Bond and "Casino Royale")? Or introduce via flashback a new Indy to hold down whatever Indy movie comes after 5? I don't think the whole "sidekick spin-off" is a real possibility. Does anyone know of an action / adventure movie sidekick ending up with their own franchise?
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I think the movie will do about as well KOTCS did. Sure, there were a lot of people who felt let down by KOTCS but people still love the Indiana Jones brand, Harrison Ford is still Hollywood royalty and Spielberg is still one of the world's most beloved filmmakers.

The general reaction I've seen in the blogisphere since the announcement is "Crystal Skull was terrible but I'm hoping they can turn this thing around with this movie" and very little if any "Indiana Jones is dead to me cause Crystal Skull sucked" reactions. People seem to be willing to give Indy another chance and are at least interested to see how they're gonna pull this one off.
This movie's success will entirely depend on how good of a movie it is. If they pull it off and it's a good one, then it will make money and even the naysayers will find their way into the theater.

But if it's not well received in general, people who thought KotCS is a bad film won't bother their time with this. Throwing around arguments like "it's Spielberg + Ford + Indy brand, things can't go wrong", are about ten years outdated, since the latest entry to the series did show that a lot can go wrong.

And saying enough time has passed from said last entry is no argument either. In fact, it's a glaring logical infallacy. If people can still remember all the good entries from 30 years ago, they won't have issues remembering the bad one from ten years ago.
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Does anyone know of an action / adventure movie sidekick ending up with their own franchise?

Theoretically the Mummy Series spun off the Scorpion King Series. Not really a Side-Kick dealieo, though. How about Joanie Loves Chachi from Happy Days... chuckle.

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I think all these discussions about what the new movie should be boils down to the fact that people are fans of this movie series for different reasons.

Some folks enjoy the movies more for the action and the stunt sequences while others are a fan of the characters and stories themselves more than the crazy stunts.

I fall into the later category and because of that I think it's absolutely no problem at all for Indy to be an older man now. It's only natural that he ages like anybody. Of course he won't be as bouncy as his younger days but that is perfectly fine.

I'm excited about what the story will be, what sort of place we find Indy in now. Is he healthy? Is he sick? Is he with family or is he alone? Is he home or is he perhaps stranded somewhere? Where will his last(?) adventure take him?
There are so many possibilities!

I often see people here saying what the movie studios obviously are thinking or what they should do but the fact is nobody here knows that.
I don't think those people thought that Disney would actually announce a new movie with Ford and Spielberg on board, yet here we are.

I also don't think they would mention Ford in the announcement if he's only playing a smaller part in the movie, but of course that is just my interpretation. And I'm sure people will argue against it.
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