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Old 03-17-2017, 08:18 AM   #26
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I quite liked the cinematography on Logan. I wouldn't mind something along those lines.

Speaking of James Mangold's movies, 3:10 To Yuma is another good example of a quality photography and camera work.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:30 AM   #27
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Why is it such a big deal?

Because movies are a visual medium, and what one looks like kind of matters. As I've said, I feel the choices made on Indy 4 had damaging effects on the movie's sense of immersion and ability to engage. That's a big deal in an Indiana Jones film, to my way of thinking.

I would not be nearly this passionate in my disappointment if it wasn't easily avoidable. Kaminski is an eminently skilled cinematographer who knows exactly what he's doing. There are gorgeously composed shots in Indy 4. That there's good work on display makes the damaging choices that much worse.
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Old 03-21-2017, 04:52 PM   #28
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I quite liked the cinematography on Logan. I wouldn't mind something along those lines.
What did you like about it? Any takeaways/lessons on how an older world-weary character (Logan) is presented?
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:43 AM   #29
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What did you like about it? Any takeaways/lessons on how an older world-weary character (Logan) is presented?
I liked the lighting style used, more natural and simple. A more traditional look, just like the original Indy trilogy.
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Old 04-09-2017, 12:21 PM   #30
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In looking at some of Kaminski's work recently, I see a couple of movies he did with Spielberg where I could see a certain style work with Indy 5. With Bridge of Spies which takes place in the 60's we see Kaminski using some restraint with his backlighting and I think it works out well. There are some nice shots throughout the movie.





War Horse was arguably his most picturesque work to date.





It's pretty clear at this point that Kaminski will not emulate the look we saw from the first 3 movies but my hope is he will be able to draw from his past work and at least help make Indy 5 a movie that looks pretty.
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:04 PM   #31
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I'll never understand why fans and normal people at home seem to have an easier time recreating the look or sound of something. For whatever reason, Hollywood always seems to really struggle with this. Makes no sense.

I've seen fan films that try to emulate the look of certain older films and they turn out looking almost exactly perfect. Yet Hollywood tries it and it doesn't look anything like what came before (KOTCS, etc). Makes zero freaking sense. Especially with their nearly unlimited budget.
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Old 05-02-2017, 01:47 PM   #32
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I liked the lighting style used, more natural and simple. A more traditional look, just like the original Indy trilogy.

I miss the lighting of the older films. KOTCS was so bright and soft for most of the film, whereas the older Indy films used more natural light and even darkness to create an immersive atmosphere. Crystal Skull looked washed-out and soft, even in areas that should have been dark and grim. I'd love to see them tune that down for the next one.
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Old 05-03-2017, 03:14 PM   #33
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Because movies are a visual medium, and what one looks like kind of matters. As I've said, I feel the choices made on Indy 4 had damaging effects on the movie's sense of immersion and ability to engage. That's a big deal in an Indiana Jones film, to my way of thinking.

I would not be nearly this passionate in my disappointment if it wasn't easily avoidable. Kaminski is an eminently skilled cinematographer who knows exactly what he's doing. There are gorgeously composed shots in Indy 4. That there's good work on display makes the damaging choices that much worse.
Couldn't agree more.
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Old 05-03-2017, 03:28 PM   #34
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I miss the lighting of the older films. KOTCS was so bright and soft for most of the film, whereas the older Indy films used more natural light and even darkness to create an immersive atmosphere. Crystal Skull looked washed-out and soft, even in areas that should have been dark and grim. I'd love to see them tune that down for the next one.
I feel like a lot of this criticism, which I also agree with, was due to shooting too much of the film on soundstages rather than outside in the elements. A lot of the movie felt closed in and fake because of this.
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Old 05-04-2017, 12:38 PM   #35
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I feel like a lot of this criticism, which I also agree with, was due to shooting too much of the film on soundstages rather than outside in the elements. A lot of the movie felt closed in and fake because of this.

KOTCS did have a fair amount of location shooting. They shot in New Mexico, Connecticut and Hawaii. The problem was how they used certain locations. Adding unnecessary CGI vegetation to scenes like the Jungle chase sequence (filmed on location in Hawaii) probably didn't help.

I think shooting the whole movie on U.S soil was part of the issue. The movie was essentially a Hollywood production and that wasn't how they first 3 movies were done. They were shot on location in foreign countries usually working in collaboration with a British film crew. I'd like to see a return to that with Indy 5.
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Old 05-05-2017, 11:18 AM   #36
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Some scenes like the whole jungle chase look terribly washed out, especially compared to modern action movies that came out since. KOTCS's look doesn't age well at all. And is it just me or are there lots of Abram's style lens flares in the movie?

Would be cool to see an altered version with more natural colors, lighting etc., at least for a few shots with a side-by-side comparison, but I don't even think that would be feasible.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:10 AM   #37
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Things were just too bright and glossy in KOTCS. Even in the desert scenes with the sun appearing at high noon, you could STILL see the actors being lit by fake light. Makes no sense.
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:48 AM   #38
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Things were just too bright and glossy in KOTCS. Even in the desert scenes with the sun appearing at high noon, you could STILL see the actors being lit by fake light. Makes no sense.
Yes, this was definitely a part of what made the movie feel less real and organic as the others.
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Old 05-17-2017, 08:41 PM   #39
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Things were just too bright and glossy in KOTCS. Even in the desert scenes with the sun appearing at high noon, you could STILL see the actors being lit by fake light. Makes no sense.

Well that is one of Kaminski's trademarks. He loves strong backlighting and will often use that lighting as another keylight on the character against natural sunlight to make them look brighter. A famous example is the airport scene in Catch Me If You Can. Sometimes it looks pretty and other times it can come off looking wishy washy.
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:38 AM   #40
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Well that is one of Kaminski's trademarks. He loves strong backlighting and will often use that lighting as another keylight on the character against natural sunlight to make them look brighter. A famous example is the airport scene in Catch Me If You Can. Sometimes it looks pretty and other times it can come off looking wishy washy.

It works well in some films but Indy calls for more natural lighting and darker interiors. I can appreciate the style but it didn't mesh well with this franchise.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:27 AM   #41
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In light of the recent Deadline article, I did come across this interview with Janusz Kaminski where he discusses the cinematography for The Post and his views on the current state of his profession. Right at the end, he acknowledge that he and Spielberg are still planning on doing Indy 5.

"So is Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara kicking up again soon? Do you know when that starts shooting or is that on hold for a minute?

KAMINSKI: I think so but I really dont know, you know, so many things. Were going to make Indiana Jones. Steven is the master of his own destiny and he makes the movie that he does. He might not even know what hes going to make next. Because this movie came out so fast you know? In May he read the script and we started making it two months later."

Kaminski apparently has a movie of his own he's preparing to direct called The Postcard Killings but there's no news on when that will go into production and whether that will affect Spielberg's Indy 5 plans.
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Old 01-20-2018, 11:46 AM   #42
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It's too bad, but also not surprising. Only thing we can hope for is that he reels himself in. I'm not optimistic.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:27 PM   #43
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It's too bad, but also not surprising. Only thing we can hope for is that he reels himself in. I'm not optimistic.

Maybe it's just me but the last few films he's done with Spielberg, he seems to have scaled back a little bit on his heavy back lighting habits. I liked what he did with Bridge of Spies. The Post had some nice shots though most of that movie took place in interior settings like an office or a house.
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Old 02-03-2018, 05:19 PM   #44
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Based on his work on Inglorious Basterds, I think the best modern cinematographer to take on an Indy film would be Robert Richardson.

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Old 02-03-2018, 08:53 PM   #45
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Bob Richardson is definitely one of the best DPs in the business and I'd love to see him take on Indy 5 but unless there's some big scheduling conflict, Kaminski is gonna be the guy again.
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