Belloq was just really cool to me. I don't have more than that!
Toht had a sadistic nature that wasn't seen again in any other character. Wait- no it was seen in other characters, but Toht was all the way. I mean, Mola Ram was horrible and evil, but he did it because he was doing it for his religion/the Thugge. Toht simply enjoyed it. And for that he gets points from me.
But, in terms of villiany, Donavan deserves to be mentioned. After all, he shot Henry in cold blood to get what he wanted. Kinda frightning to think about if you were on Indy's side.
I don't think it's just that Vogel is sadistic, though. That's Toht's bag. The variant that Vogel introduces is that career officer who relishes the opportunity to get his hands dirty again, like in the old days. I think the moment where he's loosening his collar during the tank sequence suggests this. The sadistic edge is there, but it's not the most interesting part, I would argue.
Oh I agree, I don't think Vogel is nearly as sadistic as Toht. But I do think he is sadistic. Dovchenko I don't think is sadistic at all: with him he just does what it takes to get the job done and he doesn't take pleasure or displeasure from hurting people.
eg. backhanding Indy and then raising his fist to beat him after being told to "Drop dead!", I think, didn't give him any pleasure as it would Vogel. That said, it definitely didn't give him displeasure. He may not be sadistic but he is cold and lacks empathy. Its a different kind of villainy.
I don't think it's just that Vogel is sadistic, though. That's Toht's bag. The variant that Vogel introduces is that career officer who relishes the opportunity to get his hands dirty again, like in the old days.
This turns out to be a gross miscalculation, as he's nowhere near as his stamina isn't nearly as high as it would have been when he earned the two iron crosses.
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I think the moment where he's loosening his collar during the tank sequence suggests this.
That was slightly ridiculous because it can be inferred that he fully expected the many soldiers battling his nemesis to fail.
Silly boy. Willie saved Indy and Shorty from being Swiss-cheesed. And she had to risk getting all dirty and buggy to do it. If it wasn't for Willie there would be no Raiders of the Lost Ark.
If not for Benedict Arnold's actions at Saratoga we would still be a colony!
Belloq is the greatest Indy foil,as he is a fellow archaeologist more ruthless than Jones himself...even his refined,romantic demeanor suggests an a rivalry for Marion's affections,even if only to defeat and humiliate Indy on another way. Ram,however,is my favorite....though a glimpse of him earlier in the movie, at the palace dinner,for example,would have benefitted him greatly.I see him warning Jones with his eyes when talk of the Thugee becomes too accusatory.maybe crushing one of the squirming eels with his bare hands. Vogel was beyond bland,and Spalko had potential,but was ultimately wasted.Ram remains a perfect cardboard villain for my favorite of the Indy films.
What a picture, hairy arm draped around the one Spalko couldn't even kill throwing it off a cliff!
Yet another love story they failed to tell!
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Is there a "Why do you hate Irina Spalko?" thread?!
Why would there be? She's universally loved.
You know what she really asked the aliens for? It was to fake her death so that she and Indy could continue their secret romance with Marion suspecting nothing.
You know what she really asked the aliens for? It was to fake her death so that she and Indy could continue their secret romance with Marion suspecting nothing.
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Belloq. He isn't evil, but he has all the wrong motivations. And he is right about he and Indy being alike. They go for the same things, but for different purposes. Indy wants to preserve, while Belloq wants fortune and glory.
I always found it strange how Indy contradicts that statement, which he made himself.
1.) Mola Ram - My least favorite Indy film has one thing no other Indy film got better; this villain! Do I even need to explain this choice? He was B.A.!
2.) Irina Spalko - She's got character and color to her, and she harkens back to Belloq a little; she comes off as evil, but she is interested in the same things Indy is, albeit with less reverence and respect for those things.
3.) Belloq - The Yin to Jones' Yang. I put him 3rd because I don't see him as a complete villain for some reason...he just seems to be Indy's equivalent and that dynamic was interesting.
