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Old 10-30-2012, 06:04 PM   #26
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Surely this news is one of the biggest and most surprising announcements in a long time. The news that star wars continues is huge. But also the fact that 2 of the biggest and most loved movie franchises ever (Indy and SW) could be given a new lease of life I find exciting.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:10 PM   #27
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Divorcing Lucas from or marginalizing Lucas from Lucasfilm is probably the best thing that could ever happen to Lucasfilm, Star Wars and Indiana Jones. For real. The original unsullied Star Wars trilogy could now be re-released since Disney (who interested in profits and would profit a crap ton off a release of the original SW films) now owns them, rather than Lucas, who wants to see them buried and forgotten.

There's reason not to get too hopeful for this. Some of Disney's own remasters of their older films, for recent Blu-Ray releases, have smoothed some of the texture out of the earliest films. Not to mention cuts that have been made, mostly of somewhat dubious racial material, in Fantasia and the Three Little Pigs sequel, among others. And, of course, Song of the South remains buried.

An expanded Star Wars or Indiana Jones presence is a natural for Florida's Disney Hollywood Studios park. It's less clear if they could be further well-integrated into Disneyland, for space (Indy) or thematic (Star Wars) considerations. Certainly, it would be tough to squeeze them into DCA. There are rumors of a third gate that would rely heavily upon the Marvel properties; perhaps when that comes down the pike, we'd see more of it. As for the non-China international parks (Hong Kong is small and has ample room for expansion; Shanghai's park will be arranged rather differently anyhow), Indy's solidly in place at Tokyo DisneySea. Further Star Wars integration is thematically dubious, as it doesn't really belong in Tomorrowland, but that's where Star Tours resides there, as it does in Paris (and Anaheim). Perhaps there'd be Star Wars growth at Paris's 2nd gate, or an expanded Indy presence at their Disneyland park.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:13 PM   #28
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interview with Lucas and Kenedy...
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:19 PM   #29
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The Indy franchise possibly revived.

The continued dulling down of Indy (that started with LC) to continue.

Probably not going to see any more exploding heads, or ripped out hearts unfortunately.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:31 PM   #30
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I'm excited about the prospect of new movies, I'm just really hoping they stay live action and are not like the animated Clone Wars film that came out before the TV show. To be honest it's not that shocking, Disney has been involved with a few LF projects since the 90s and that's cool.

My two cents on the next trilogy is have Mark Hamill return as Luke, but more as an older, wiser, "Alec Guinness/Ben Kenobi" type. Having him restart the Jedi Order would be cool. I'm not a big EU guy so I'm sure others have some better ideas.

Really the biggest news we should pick out of this is George is retiring.

OH AND ANIMATED INDY PLEASE.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:41 PM   #31
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Indy and star wars is diverting people away from the real lucasfilm forgotten gem that could be resurrected....... Howard the Duck
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:43 PM   #32
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My two cents on the next trilogy is have Mark Hamill return as Luke, but more as an older, wiser, "Alec Guinness/Ben Kenobi" type. Having him restart the Jedi Order would be cool. I'm not a big EU guy so I'm sure others have some better ideas.


I hope not. That would be so unoriginal.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:49 PM   #33
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A reminder, folks, that this thread exists for all of your Star Wars 7-exclusive musings. Star Wars talk here is fine, to an extent, but let's keep the focus on Indy, if we can.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:55 PM   #34
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I'm sorry but this is not a disappointment in any way, shape or form. Anyone who says it is has not even a fundamental understanding of things like this.

Stop thinking like a consumer and try to see things as a spectator of an art form. Indy and Star Wars would, somehow, found their way to the silver screen sooner or later. There is no doubt about that. So, irrelevant of what anybody believes about the last films we've seen, now we have reached the point that either film will take new directions away from their original creator. From this point on we'll be seeing other people's perception of an Indy or Star Wars adventure. For better or worst.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:17 PM   #35
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Stop thinking like a consumer and try to see things as a spectator of an art form. Indy and Star Wars would, somehow, found their way to the silver screen sooner or later. There is no doubt about that. So, irrelevant of what anybody believes about the last films we've seen, now we have reached the point that either film will take new directions away from their original creator. From this point on we'll be seeing other people's perception of an Indy or Star Wars adventure. For better or worst.

As a spectator of an art form, Star Wars would do better in just about anybody's hands but George Lucas' at this point. Between the ceaseless tinkering with the original trilogy ("NOOOOOO!"), which has pretty much tarnished greatly cinematic masterpieces, and the horrible prequels, the Star Wars brand was incredibly sullied and has become something of a joke as compared to how it was once viewed--as one of the greatest film series of all time. As far as Indy's concerned, again, thanks to Lucas we had to wait almost 20 years between Indy films because of his stubborn refusal to drop an idea that nobody else wanted and in the end brought a film which got a very mixed to extremely negative reception in the world at large.

Even from an artistic standpoint, having SW in the sole tyrannical hands of Lucas (Lucas' ego being so big as evidenced by the prequels that he really won't accept no for an answer, and has no one brave enough to try to tell him his ideas aren't the best), and having an Indiana Jone's film's ultimate future lying in his hands, is scary at this point. If this were 1982 and Lucas had just made Empire (with the accepted help and creative additions of others) and Raiders and Disney was in their 70s-80s slump of subpar films, it'd be a different story.

At this point, the brands changing hands could only bring good to neutral things. At worst, it'd be the same level of quality as if Lucas was still behind the helm; At best, possibly something better than Lucas post 1996 could ever conceive of.

The fact that it's in the hands of Disney, a company who has a near one hundred year track record of making classic, beloved, treasured films, and even big time action films like The Avengers, Thor and which has Pixar and Marvel under them, tells me the brands are in good hands.

We have to remember that Disney isn't all children's movies or childish fluff. They have entire subsidies which are aimed more at the adult market. Hell, Disney is the company which launched Miramax and had that as one of their subsidiaries for nearly twenty years.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:24 PM   #36
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Stop thinking like a consumer and try to see things as a spectator of an art form. Indy and Star Wars would, somehow, found their way to the silver screen sooner or later. There is no doubt about that. So, irrelevant of what anybody believes about the last films we've seen, now we have reached the point that either film will take new directions away from their original creator. From this point on we'll be seeing other people's perception of an Indy or Star Wars adventure. For better or worst.

Oh, while that may be true, it's only true to an extent and even in it's truth it's a ridiculous notion to use to diminish this as a good move. Lucas hasn't been interested in anything since Crystal Skull, and he phoned that one as it was. The IP's have already been handed off as it is (look at the Clone Wars and that's doing fine). Even without the credit on screen this is better than waiting for Lucas' death because it:

A) keeps the lawsuits from stopping production on new material that inevitably would've happened between Lucas' family and a corporate entity after his death

B) keeps Lucas around as a resource or creative consultant for the foreseeable future

C) amicably makes any creative IP bible material available to the new owners that might've otherwise disappeared in a different kind of deal

Basically, the "look at this as an art form" argument isn't valid to assert that this is a bad move - and in fact it's not a bad move but rather a reinvigorating and sustaining one for these properties.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:28 PM   #37
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I'm cautiously optimistic. It's not like either franchise was really thriving under Lucas. It could be really good news for Indy fans in particular, as Lucas seemed to be the guy dragging his feet on Indy 5, when everybody knows the clock is ticking. Plus Kathleen Kennedy's history with Indy goes back to Raiders, so maybe she'll feel compelled to get it done.

On the other hand, it sounds like Disney wants Kennedy to focus on Star Wars for a while . . . but even that could be a blessing in disguise, because if Kennedy's running Star Wars, then maybe Lucas will have time to hammer out that one last Indy adventure he's been meaning to do with his pals Spielberg and Ford. Maybe.

Looking beyond another live-action movie, I have to believe that Indy will get more attention from Disney than he was from Lucas. Disney has made a science of milking beloved characters. At the very least, Indy will be milked. After years with nothing much more than a frustrating Facebook game to feed my Indy addiction, that will be a welcome change.
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:37 PM   #38
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With Disney controlling the rights to Indiana Jones now I hope this site is not in any danger due to copyright issues that Lucasfilm may have been more open about then disney will be. I hope not. Thoughts owner of theraidernet?

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Old 10-30-2012, 11:10 PM   #39
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I'd just like to say.... WE CALLED IT.

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Old 10-30-2012, 11:19 PM   #40
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AWFUL!

It was only a matter of time before it happened but this is THE WORST Lucasfilm news in the history of Lucasfilm news!

Now you see George's strategy, which began in the early 1990s: the slow Disneyfication of Indy and Star Wars in preparation for a lucrative sale and semi-retirement to the only media company big enough to make the deal.

Young Indy, Little Orphan Anakin, Jar Jar, Mutt... it makes perfect sense.


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With Disney controlling the rights to Indiana Jones now I hope this site is not in any danger due to copyright issues that Lucasfilm may have been more open about then disney will be. I hope not. Thoughts owner of theraidernet?

Oh, it'll be all right. We'll just have to pledge undying allegiance to Disney and extol their virtues at the end of every post.

And remember that careless talk costs lives, since Disney spies will be everywhere, threatening Ravenites with the hot poker treatment.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:50 PM   #41
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My hope have been minimal for several months about future Indy stuff but it now feels final due to this news.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:54 PM   #42
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Looks like we'll be spared further degradation of the Indy franchise -

Bob Iger: We didnít ascribe any value to the Indiana Jones franchise. It doesnít factor into the equation with this acquisition.

At least for now.
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:01 AM   #43
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I work at Disneyland... I had nothing to do with this! Don't kill me Raven
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:14 AM   #44
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Looks like we'll be spared further degradation of the Indy franchise -

Bob Iger: We didn’t ascribe any value to the Indiana Jones franchise.

Compared to Marvel and Star Wars Indy is probably now too small to waste time and effort on.

Incidentally, considering the last effort, George doesn't ascribe any value to Indy either, beyond profit, that is.
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:19 AM   #45
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A Ducktales/Indy crossover?

EDIT: I was wondering. With Lucas not owning the rights of Indiana Jones (I'm sure the rights were a part of the selling of LucasFilm? I don't know much about this type of stuff) anymore, would Harrison even agree to do another Indy film if Disney wanted it? Would Steve even direct it? Hell, would George have a part in it at all?

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Old 10-31-2012, 01:01 AM   #46
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Expect a new South Park on the subject soon...

very soon.
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:31 AM   #47
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Stated that they are only looking at the new Star Wars trilogy right now...

Star Wars? You cannot imagine the immensity of the funk I do not give.

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Bob Iger: We didn’t ascribe any value to the Indiana Jones franchise. It doesn’t factor into the equation with this acquisition.

That was my reaction. Disney forked over four-billion for Star Wars, the fact that Lucasfilm (nee George Lucas) had these other franchises was ancillary. Yeah, we'll take these other red-headed stepchildren if you sell us the exclusive rights to Star Wars. Maybe we'll do something with that guy in the hat in the distant future.

The money milking opportunities for Disney are phenomenal. Somewhere a group of their sharp pencil boys have all had aneurysms after looking at their projected P&L spreadsheets.

I share Stoo's feelings on the matter. The real question, as a resident of the Greater Bay Area, is how long Lucasfilm's presence remains up here. Disney has allowed Pixar to remain in Northern California, but I could see them shifting a significant amount of the Lucasfilm employee base to the Los Angles County.

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A Ducktales/Indy crossover?

Yeah, no. Please leave Treasure of the Lost Lamp alone.



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...would Harrison even agree to do another Indy film if Disney wanted it? Would Steve even direct it? Hell, would George have a part in it at all?

He wouldn't have a say in the matter unless there's some sort of stipulation in whatever contract he has/had with Lucasfilm/Paramount. As sole proprietor, Lucas could essentially do whatever he wanted; given Disney's responsibility to its shareholders, if Disney thinks an Indiana Jones movie starring Justin Bieber would make a mountain of cash, then Disney makes Indiana Jones and the Quest for Puberty.

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Old 10-31-2012, 06:19 AM   #48
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I guess there be no-more Lucasfilm insiders. Anyone got any Disney insiders.
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Old 10-31-2012, 06:21 AM   #49
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Raiders112390 & I.M.J. Kingdom and the Star Wars prequels must have deeply scared you. Not that I'm very fond of them myself but what I see is the will to punish Lucas for making them. You accuse him for being stubborn when this stubborness almost gave him a heart attack while filming Star Wars back in 1977. You seem to forget that this stubborness was fueled by a vision he had and wanted to make it real. And he did. And his stubborness proved him right. And we all loved the result of this stubborness.

He wanted to make Raiders when no studio was willing to finance such a project but his stubborness lead to a killer deal and gave Indy to the world. We all cherish the result of this stubborness and that's how we've come into this forum and contact each other. His stubborness lead him to make Doom dark, to make Young Indy this little artistic/educational series and not just another TV rip off. George Lucas himself said on the set of Revenge of the Sith that everybody would love the new trilogy to begin from that point but he choose not to do so. Of course he made mistakes along the way, nobody can deny that.

So, accusing him for being stubborn is like accusing him for being who he is and for what he has offered. I'm not saying that I will take in anything he serves my way without question but I don't have to go against him. I'm saying all this because many guys cheered in the news of this aquisition not only because new films will be made but because they will not be made by Lucas. Come on guys, have a heart.

For me George Lucas is a guy who did things his way. Some paid off, some didn't. But he never lost my respect.
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Old 10-31-2012, 06:28 AM   #50
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With Disney controlling the rights to Indiana Jones now I hope this site is not in any danger due to copyright issues that Lucasfilm may have been more open about then disney will be. I hope not. Thoughts owner of theraidernet?
Pfft. We've never broken any kind of copyright law that goes beyond the basic journalistic right of citation. Also, everything we do is completely non-profit, and will stay that way.

Besides, we're talking about copyright issues based on the law in which country, exactly? The Internet knows no borders, should any notations hit our way, all there is to be done is to move the stuff to a provider that operates in a place where all we do is perfectly kosher (and we can find such places closer to home than Tajikistan or Zimbabwe). Good luck finding a court then that takes 'em seriously.

Besides, I doubt they go after the site as a whole. Even in case they do find something they wish to harp on about, we simply take those bits down and it's business as usual. Also, in the modern media environment, they are definitely the only ones who can raise a s*itstorm. No company wishes to deal with the negative PR that comes with harassing innocent fans. Especially if they're being picky about it (say, they go after us but decide to leave TheForce.Net alone).

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