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Old 12-10-2011, 04:27 AM   #101
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If Lincoln can survive this, he can survive vampires. Note: the following video isn't necessarily sufficient for work.
Einstein versus Stephen Hawking and Vader versus Hitler are better IMO.
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Old 12-15-2011, 01:08 AM   #102
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Lincoln and Spielberg
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Old 12-15-2011, 06:29 AM   #103
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I hadn't realized Spielberg raised Lincoln from the dead. That's some dedication towards a movie.
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Old 12-15-2011, 10:39 AM   #104
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I hadn't realized Spielberg raised Lincoln from the dead. That's some dedication towards a movie.

He's a lot shorter than I'd have guessed. Apparently they cast a little tall in going with Day-Lewis.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:49 PM   #105
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None have been as mythologized...
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Lincoln's been mythologized across virtually all art forms, including rock n' roll.



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Hopefully, this type of thing will be taken into account with the new film and that Daniel Day-Lewis pulls it off, for he is a master of his profession.

Like a lot people of a certain age, either born or raised in the orbit of Anaheim and the House of Mouse, this was my first experience with our 16th President, and how I've always imagined him to speak.



Finally, this movie flew below the radar. I could start a new thread, but it ties in so well here. The Conspirator deals with the fall out of Lincoln's assassination (oh noes! I gave the surprise twist away!) and the subsequent trial of the confederates. Give it a look if you're interested in American government.

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Old 09-07-2012, 05:18 AM   #106
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One sheet.



Do you remember when tent pole pictures appeared fully formed in your local cinemaplex? How about when the giant teevee in Times Square was forbidden from carrying commercial advertisements? If not, then it should come as no surprise that the first trailer for Lincoln will be broadcast live on that same giant teevee while being simulcast through Google +'s hangout feature.

When: September 13th @ 4pm PST. Spielberg & Joseph Gordon-Levitt will also host a live conversation during the 'event'.

So, yeah.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:46 PM   #107
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Do you remember when tent pole pictures appeared fully formed in your local cinemaplex? How about when the giant teevee in Times Square was forbidden from carrying commercial advertisements? If not, then it should come as no surprise that the first trailer for Lincoln will be broadcast live on that same giant teevee while being simulcast through Google +'s hangout feature.

When: September 13th @ 4pm PST. Spielberg & Joseph Gordon-Levitt will also host a live conversation during the 'event'.

So, yeah.

Huh, trailers have become events in themselves. Hell do you remember when there was a trailer for the trailer of Prometheus? Jesus.
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:58 PM   #108
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:25 PM   #109
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meh...got all I needed on this history lesson from "Glory"...and with less trademark Spielberg maudlin sentimentality

Bill Murray's FDR movie looks more original, and more appealing...to me anyways...
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Old 09-14-2012, 05:17 PM   #110
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meh...got all I needed on this history lesson from "Glory"...and with less trademark Spielberg maudlin sentimentality

Bill Murray's FDR movie looks more original, and more appealing...to me anyways...

I don't think they're exactly the same subject.

I'm intrigued by Hyde Park on Hudson as well, though.
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Smacks of Obama Administration propoganda to me, frankly.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:11 PM   #112
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I don't think they're exactly the same subject.

maybe not exactly, but The Color Purple, Amistad, now Lincoln...we get it...a lot of African Americans got a raw deal back in the day and Stevie's got a boner for that message to beat us over the head with. Thematically, its all been done...done to the to the point that everything that follows just looks like typical melodrama to me.

And like the broken public school system needed more help in pushing slavery as the singular cause of the American Civil War...in the laziest way possible: "here, kids. for the next 4 days of history period, we'll be watching "Lincoln"...(insert tape/rest on that tenure)...sigh



ah well, at least its not another estranged father story...or is it, Robert Todd Lincoln?! :P

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Old 09-14-2012, 10:35 PM   #113
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Smacks of Obama Administration propoganda to me, frankly.

Yeah, like the choice to use Bane in Batman was to solidify the negative associations with the word 'Bain'.

As to the Trailer, I watched it with no sound and I kept expecting Lincoln to say that he's fixed like no other company in this field.

And from the quick shot that I saw Jared Harris looks solid, solid as Grant. But can he ride a horse?
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Old 10-05-2012, 05:28 PM   #114
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Smacks of Obama Administration propoganda to me, frankly.

anyone catch the new "Liberal Jesus" comme...er...I mean "Lincoln" commercial during the debate? According to Deadline.com, it was seen on ABC, CBS, and CNN during the first break

Helluva lot of lefty "friends" on facebook were so quick to comment on Romney dropping a "Reagan"...pretty tight-lipped after Obama dropped a "Lincoln"
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Old 10-05-2012, 06:36 PM   #115
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I'm glad to see that Gidget (Sally Field) is on board.

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Old 10-06-2012, 12:48 PM   #116
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Vary intarestin', Rockit. Guess he never shook them thar Kintucky roots. (I'm imagining a squeaky version of Jed Clampett). Hopefully, this type of thing will be taken into account with the new film and that Daniel Day-Lewis pulls it off, for he is a master of his profession.
Well, I don't see any evidence so far, but hope springs eternal...

...but I doubt he will!
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:41 PM   #117
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It could be coincidence, or the fact that humans don't change...

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Yeah, like the choice to use Bane in Batman was to solidify the negative associations with the word 'Bain'.


But they say: "If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck..." Even the man himself is deferring the comparison.

But you know me, I see conspiracy and commie's in my cereal....
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Yeah, like the choice to use Bane in Batman was to solidify the negative associations with the word 'Bain'.
Jesus H. Christ. What is it with all the Batman bozos?
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Well, I don't see any evidence so far, but hope springs eternal...

...but I doubt he will!
Agreed. After learning quite a lot about Lincoln's diction in this very thread, the film's trailer doesn't show anything close to his "supposed" accent. Nonetheless, I have high hopes for the movie. We shall see...
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:25 PM   #119
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After learning quite a lot about Lincoln's diction in this very thread, the film's trailer doesn't show anything close to his "supposed" accent.

Day-Lewis does seem to slip into a higher 'twang' the more emotional Lincoln gets in the extended teevee spot that our friend from Misery took so much umbrage too.



Remember that mythmaking aspect I mentioned a while ago? Well, it continues...

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Old 10-17-2012, 01:20 PM   #120
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Problems which Mr. Spielberg and Mr. Lewis will not likely face.

In 1940 the film "Abe Lincoln in Illinois", starring Canadian actor Raymond Massey was released.

At that time, there were people living who had seen and heard Lincoln speak.

Some of them, no doubt helped by the studio, said that Lincoln sounded like Raymond Massey.

Also, some "true Americans" complained about a Canadian actor playing Lincoln.

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Old 10-18-2012, 12:33 PM   #121
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After learning quite a lot about Lincoln's diction in this very thread, the film's trailer doesn't show anything close to his "supposed" accent. Nonetheless, I have high hopes for the movie. We shall see...
If you can find it, Stephen Oates' "With Malice Towards None" is a great read...with regards to his voice the preface touches on the "Lincoln of mythology" who "spoke in a deep fatherly voice..."

It's not a make or break issue for me either, but I'll have a keen ear and eye on the whole of Spielberg's take. I'm betting the preemptive war stance gets some screen time.
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Funny here's what Oates writes:

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And then there was the accent - a southern Indiana dialect that would barb much of Lincolns own speech all his life. Like his neighbors, young Lincoln said "howdey" to visitors. He "sot" down and "stayed a spell." He came "outen" a cabin an "yearned" his wages and "made a heap." He "cum" from "whar" he had been. He was "hornswoggled" into doing something against his better judgement. He "keered" for his friends and "heered" the latest news. He pointed to "yonder" stream and addressed the head of a committee as "Mr. Cheermun." And he got an "eddication" in log-cabin schools and "larned" about adversity, self-reliance, and the necessity for mutual cooperation with his neighbors.

Vary intarestin' indeed.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:13 AM   #122
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Spielberg on "60 Minutes"

For Americans, Steven Spielberg is going to be promoting his film on
the CBS Television "60 Minutes" news program tonight, Sunday, October 21.

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Old 11-09-2012, 11:47 AM   #123
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After reading this REVIEW you can understand why from the get go, I've concluded that this work is engineered propoganda whitewashing the current administration under the nostalgia of the past.

It's a good article, but this capsulates my sentiment best...
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...(T)he most glaring misstep has to be manner in which Spielberg and Co. handle their depiction of our 16th president: with kid gloves. As great a leader as Lincoln was (the country's finest, by academic consensus), he still savaged the Constitution, led a ruthless and hellish war on the South, and subverted free press and expression like it was his job. There are, at most, a cumulative three sentences in the film addressing these uncomfortable truths...
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:47 PM   #124
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Apparently theres no John Wilkes Booth or an assassination scene...
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:24 PM   #125
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Nice to know before going in...

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"It's a betrayal of the job of the historian, to explore the unknown. But it is the job of the filmmaker to use creative "imagination" to recover what is lost to memory. Unavoidably, even at its very best, "this resurrection is a fantasy ... a dream."
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