Cagefighterkip
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Dr._Jones_Jr. said:
that double punch WAS sweet
What are KOTCS's best action scenes?
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that double punch WAS sweet
Cagefighterkip
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i just realized i never posted my fave (odd since i started the thread)... id say the hangar car chase/crate chase
agentsands77
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It's not about "mixing it up." It's about staging and directing it properly. The old-style sequences in KINGDOM would still have carried a punch if there was a genuine sense of danger and suspense, which there never was.Darth Vile said:
WillKill4Food
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The jungle battle would have been cool if they hadn't blown up the jungle cutter (why did they do that? it could have been an awesome fight!).
The rocket sled fight would have been cool if they had actually fought on it. It would have been awesome if they fought while it sped by, each one almost falling off to their doom. They could have even put another soldier on their with Indy and Dov and then thay Russian could have fallen off into the tunnel and been ripped to shreads. Sure, it's unrealistic, but so was Doom town for God's sake.
There are so many things that could have made the fights awesome, but the writers were retarded.
The rocket sled fight would have been cool if they had actually fought on it. It would have been awesome if they fought while it sped by, each one almost falling off to their doom. They could have even put another soldier on their with Indy and Dov and then thay Russian could have fallen off into the tunnel and been ripped to shreads. Sure, it's unrealistic, but so was Doom town for God's sake.
There are so many things that could have made the fights awesome, but the writers were retarded.
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loganbush said:
agreed
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agentsands77 said:
I think we are arguing the same thing but from different angles. It?s agreed that it can be argued that the KOTCS set pieces seemed to lack a ?bit of punch?. However, I?d posit that the majority of the action scenes from the original 3 (sans the classic action set pieces) also lack any real sense of danger e.g. the ?Nepal Fight?, ?Streets of Cairo?, ?Escape from Shanghai?, ?Escape from Venice?, ?Escape from Brunwald Castle? etc. etc. What the original 3 movies had in spades was originality. The fact that they managed to push the boundaries for live action set pieces way beyond their contemporaries set them apart in their day.
I don?t think KOTCS could ever compete with the modern action movie a la Jason Bourne, Casino Royale etc without fundamentally changing the style? and it?s because Spielberg stuck so closely to that style defined by the original 3, that the action (although fun) seems slightly passé.
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Darth Vile said:
See I just can't agree with that. Both Iron Man and (especially) Dark Knight emphasize story. They're much more script-revolving then something like Indiana Jones, mostly a straight-up popcorn flick franchise. You don't go to Indy for character depth. Whilst there's a stigma that says that comic books cannot be intelligent, it's merely that, a prejudice it must conquer. I think Dark Knight certainly proved, with it's major emphasis upon psychology and drama, that comic books aren’t really Childs-play anymore. From a set perspective, if read into enough, many conceptually never really were. They can be dramatic, tasteful, artsy, intelligent, even moving. The Superhero genre will always be frowned upon by certain ignorant demographics though. But the point is that I think the emphasis upon story (in turn) makes the action scenes (sparing though they may be) much better…because you care. One fight scene after another starts this repetitively that gets borderline bland. It loses the shock and awe, not to mention the suspense of it all. It’s not just mindless punch and kick after blow to the face and stab, it’s more then that. All the aspects of the story form into a superior picture, the script and dialogue scenes make the fight scenes for later. They're not seperate. It reigns in your heart and resonates, heightening the experience from popcorn adventure to something far more. I think both Dark Knight and Iron Man completely topped even the best Crystal Skull offered, which was few and far between. That's just my two cents anyway.
agentsands77
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Hence the words I used are "danger and suspense." Now admittedly, some of the sequences you mention don't have it, but I think some of the sequences you mention are quite weak (especially the Venice escape and Brunwald Castle sequences... mediocre, both of 'em).Darth Vile said:
Sure, we can apologize for KINGDOM and say that, yeah, it's about as good as TEMPLE and CRUSADE, 'cause yeah, I think it is. It's certainly not as far removed as some would have you believe. But in retrospect, that just isn't going to cut it. KINGDOM really did need to be better than the two RAIDERS sequels to justify the long wait and compete at the market. 'Cause really, TEMPLE and CRUSADE are just passable efforts, but they're nothing special and were rightly met with somewhat mixed receptions.
So the one early review that said KINGDOM could have come out in like '92 or something and done rather well... I'm pretty sure that would have been the case. And it wouldn't be looked on as harshly. But you have 18 years of anticipation. This film couldn't just be a mixed nostalgia ride, which is all they ended up giving us.
I do. You don't really have to change the Indy style that much. Just go back to the atmosphere of RAIDERS. Maybe push it a teensy, weensy bit grittier, but not too much. Fix that, and viola, everything shapes up.Darth Vile said:
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WillKill4Food said:
Yeah, that's what I was expecting. But then... the thing just blows up and that's it. It's too easy. Maybe they thought it would've been too close to the fight on the tank in LC.
And.. the best action sequence in the film is the motorcycle chase. It's classic but still feels fresh. The warehouse/Doom Town is a close second.
agentsands77
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I think it's a snooze. By far the most "going-through-the-motions" sequence in the film.Zorg said:
MaxPhactor23
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Zorg said:
Personally the equation should have went very similar to this; Tank Fight + Rock Crusher Fight + Flying Wing Blades - Rocket Destruction = What should have been! They missed out...alas...
Cagefighterkip
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indy being dragged off of a bike into a car fighitng in the car and slipping back out and being dragged behind a motorcycle and leading into another chase on a college campus is "going through the motions?" rlly?: huh.agentsands77 said:
agentsands77
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Yeah. Very much so. None of what you described is particularly inventive.Cagefighterkip said:
agentsands77
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To be honest, I thought that one was pretty darn dull, too.The Man said:
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Yeah, it was.The Man said:
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MaxPhactor23 said:
Completely agree with that paragraph. IMHO - Everything that was good about TDK was character/dialogue driven, whereas the action in it was rather redundant/superfluous and certainly nothing new? but the action becomes largely irrelevant because the viewer is (or should be) caught up in the emotion of it all (which is the heart of the movie). Whereas Indy is only really as good as it's action set pieces...
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The Man said:
I love it too (largely due to Williams music and Connery's performance in it). But I have to admit that there is no real sense of danger to it... it's just good ole' fun.