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Old 11-26-2007, 10:33 PM   #26
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Is it even confirmed that this movie will be PG-13? I don't know about you guys, but if it's rated PG, I'll be a little disappointed. Coupled with cutesy aliens, I'll be really disappointed. Yeah, the first two were PG, but PG was completely different back then. Not trying to pick peanuts out of elephant **** here, but I'm just putting a "what if" out there.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:52 PM   #27
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I was just thinking the same thing FordFan. After just recently watching LC, probably the tamest of the original 3 films, I began to wonder if KotCS will be neutered a bit. Scenes in LC like Indy killing the 3 Nazi soldiers on the tank with a single shot from the Luger, Henry Sr. blowing up the entire truck full of soldiers, and the volunteer getting his head lopped off, were still pretty graphic for a PG film. Yeah they were nothing compard to ToD, the first ever PG-13 rated film and the reason the rating was started in the first place, but still they pushed the envelope of PG.

Will Spielberg tone it down now? I really hope not! I don't want another Live Free or Die Hard!
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:03 PM   #28
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people get so fired up about these things. no one knows the context or even if the aliens will be seen. speilberg is making the film for the indy fans, so let's wait and see how this pans out.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:18 AM   #29
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My initial feelings toward this rumour are ones of revulsion, but as others have said it's all about how it's handled.

I could just about see it working if the aliens are found as mummified corpses - Indy could just show bafflement at these strange 'creatures' and leave it to us, the audience, to make any alien connotations.

So long as they aren't skipping around and anally-probing everyone, I could just about live with something like that.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:44 AM   #30
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Will Spielberg tone it down now? I really hope not! I don't want another Live Free or Die Hard!

I think the Spielberg of today can deliver a better Indiana Jones movie than the Spielberg of 1989. The late 80's and early 90's are what I consider to be the man's creative low point. ALWAYS, CRUSADE, HOOK, JURASSIC PARK- they all seem to me to be from a guy who was either ready to change gears, or happy to become a watered down version of his former self. Though I think the film has it's problems, SCHINDLER'S LIST marked a turning point for Spielberg, and though not all of his films since then have been completely successful, I think they're more interesting films than the ones immediately preceding it. So I think, or at least I hope, we are going to see a slightly rougher and nastier film than CRUSADE, more in tone with the original RAIDERS than anything else.

As for the alien thing, I can see it being handled well or going right off the rails. But in a series that includes the supernatural, and inspired by Republic serials, anyone who thinks that allusions to aliens in Indiana's world is out of place, are lacking in some imagination.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:34 AM   #31
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I hope he is making it for "true" fans not only fans. True fans can't accept Aliens in an Indiana Jones-Movie.
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:25 PM   #32
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I hope he is making it for "true" fans not only fans. True fans can't accept Aliens in an Indiana Jones-Movie.
I think at this point you are the only TRUE FAN in the entire world.
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:40 PM   #33
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Unfortunately it seems that even Indiana Jones, like anything with fans, has it's own subset of fans who claim to be the sole true fans. Not only is this suggestion preposterous but it is also insulting to those who consider themselves fans, but do not share the exact same views as the person who claims to hold the map to "true fanhood". And that is really, really, sad.
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Old 11-27-2007, 02:55 PM   #34
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I hope he is making it for "true" fans not only fans. True fans can't accept Aliens in an Indiana Jones-Movie.
I swear... I hear words "true" and "fan" in conjuction from you once more, I'm going to get medieval on you.

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Old 11-27-2007, 03:17 PM   #35
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I hope he is making it for "true" fans not only fans. True fans can't accept Aliens in an Indiana Jones-Movie.


*Sigh*

How dare someone have a different opinion...

Oh wait..Only 'true' fans think the same,Robotic opinion...

More lame brain bs from Sankara
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:51 PM   #36
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I call lies! Aliens better not step foot near this movie.
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:20 PM   #37
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True fans here, true fans there... true fans... so ask yourselves: who is a real "true fan"? What does the word "true" imply? ...

Not to criticize anyone, but I think many of you are now missing the point.
I BET ALL OF US ARE "TRUE FANS", or we simply wouldn't be here. In any case, any of us does have his own personal tastes and his own personal preferences. This obviously means that any of us has different ideas too.

Some of you were accusing Sankara, but I think that's not exactly the right thing to do now. It is not correct, because he has only expressed his point of view.

I don't like the idea of aliens as much as he do. But that's NOT because I am a "true fan". That's NOT because I have a "robotic" opinion, and NOT because I usually speak "lame brain b.s." as someone had previousely written. It's only because I do have a certain perception of the franchise, a certain perception of the character and, most of all, a certain perception of the adventures he should be involved in.

It's not the concept of aliens itself to be wrong to me. It's the concept of aliens in the specific context it seems to be inserted in. The context I'm talking about is more or less something like this:

- the year is '57, almost the sixties, the beginning of the space exploration era and also the age of the "science fiction genre" boom.
- we've heard about one scene involving the legendary Area 51... with probably the American government special forces trying to prevent Indy from doing/stealing something.
- we've heard about a scene possibly showing a nuclear explosion.
- now we hear about aliens used in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", which are meant to appear in this movie.
- I've also read somewhere that the aztec pyramid we've seen in some pictures time ago is actually meant to be sort of an alien spaceship.

Well, now, there's only one obvious thing that comes to my mind: this whole analysis makes me guess the new Indy film will be more of a "scy-fi / fantapolitic drama / conspiracy-spy story movie" than an actual "adventure movie". AND THAT IS A THING I ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT FOR IT. I want to see a movie centered around archeology, mysterious places an' ancient religions. Not a movie focused on American/Russian army trying to get contact with green skinned little men, while Indy tries to stop them.

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But in a series that includes the supernatural, and inspired by Republic serials, anyone who thinks that allusions to aliens in Indiana's world is out of place, are lacking in some imagination.

I personally disagree. I don't think it's the same thing for me. At least, I think it would depend on the context. But from the few things we believe to know, I can quite surely assume that the context on which this movie will be based IS UNFORTUNATELY THE WRONG ONE.
For example, I loved "Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine". That videogame was awesome, even if its plot dealt with aliens massively. But that was good, because the alien beings in the story were always treated and seen as "gods". Not as creatures from the outer space, meant to be captured and analyzed in Area 51. Not as creatures meant to be hidden in secret labs, where the American/Russian military forces also experiments new mass destruction weapons. This whole idea makes me think of "Man In Black", not Indiana Jones.

If we want the plot to deal with aliens, so let 'em be mysterious, ancient and monstrous forms of life... let 'em be mythical gods rather than little human-like puppies trapped in the bunkers of Area 51.

P.S. - I hope the message is clear enough for all of you. Please, feel free to comment. These are only my ideas, after all...

EDIT: oh, damn, this post is sooooo long... sorry 'bout that.

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Old 11-27-2007, 05:34 PM   #38
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It was nothing towards you or anyone else who doesn't like the idea of aliens.If you go back and read any other Sankara other post where is spouts his ''True fan'' crap you'd see why people get sick of his crap.
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:42 PM   #39
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It was nothing towards you or anyone else who doesn't like the idea of aliens.If you go back and read any other Sankara other post where is spouts his ''True fan'' crap you'd see why people get sick of his crap.

I know, I know. Don't worry.
But there were a few things I needed to write. I know I mentioned one of your posts, metalinvader, but there was no aggressiveness in my intention.
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:56 PM   #40
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I know, I know. Don't worry.
But there were a few things I needed to write. I know I mentioned one of your posts, metalinvader, but there was no aggressiveness in my intention.

No problems what so ever. One thing I hope we can all agree on is it's going to be fantastic to see Indy back!
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:02 PM   #41
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No problems what so ever. One thing I hope we can all agree on is it's going to be fantastic to see Indy back!

ABSOLUTELY!!!!
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:21 PM   #42
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I point to Lucas' comment that this film is closest to Raiders to tell me that it probably has to do with Abner Ravenwood, the Ark maybe, the Russians we know, and whatever else. The odds are Area 51 is in there for comic relief.
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:03 PM   #43
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Does nobody else kinda like the idea of Indy in a temple in South America and on a couple of stone slabs are some decayed, mummified beings - with elongated limbs and strangely shaped skulls...

I think there's some great imagery in that - reminds me of 'Fate of Atlantis'.

As long as the extra-terrestrial beings are dead (an extinct ancient race?) I'm happy - I just don't want it to start turning all Independence Day.
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:04 PM   #44
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Does nobody else kinda like the idea of Indy in a temple in South America and on a couple of stone slabs are some decaying beings - with elongated limbs and strangely shaped skulls...

I think there's some great imagery in that - reminds me of 'Fate of Atlantis'.

As long as the extra-terrestrial beings are dead (an extinct ancient race?) I'm happy - so long as it doesn't start turning all Independence Day.


I could handle that. As long as it's not shiny metal crafts and laser guns, I'd be content with some "horribly gnarled bones" ala FOA.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:01 AM   #45
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Does nobody else kinda like the idea of Indy in a temple in South America and on a couple of stone slabs are some decayed, mummified beings - with elongated limbs and strangely shaped skulls...

I think there's some great imagery in that - reminds me of 'Fate of Atlantis'.

As long as the extra-terrestrial beings are dead (an extinct ancient race?) I'm happy - I just don't want it to start turning all Independence Day.


That's actually a really cool idea and I could totally see that working.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:56 AM   #46
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To those who are worried this will destroy the film. I say relax let's see how it play's out. If it's true then Area 51 would be a cool concept.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:49 AM   #47
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:59 AM   #48
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Does nobody else kinda like the idea of Indy in a temple in South America and on a couple of stone slabs are some decayed, mummified beings - with elongated limbs and strangely shaped skulls...

I think there's some great imagery in that - reminds me of 'Fate of Atlantis'.

That's a cool idea, but it's pretty much been done before in "Alien." They walk into a big hall in the crashed ship and see the bones of a huge, weird being laying on some kind of pilot's chair.

I guess it's not exactly the same (they see "live" aliens later), but I would definitely be reminded of "Alien" if Indy 4 does what you describe.
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:56 PM   #49
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This is MY opinion.
Had you just expressed it once or twice... But yapping about it again and again and again, that's different behavior - and it's called trolling.

And if you want to check on our stance on trolls, please head out to the forum rules section right away.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:44 PM   #50
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im not surprised by peoples reactions but I do think that if youre going to reject the movie on the grounds that it features aliens then youre setting yourselves up for a fall. Spielberg could make it work and I really wouldnt be surprised at all if aliens feature in the final act...I'm undecided at the moment. I think it ultimately depends on the tone of KOTCS- I for one am not expecting a movie thats overly familiar. Its the 50s, an older Indy...its totally new territory.
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