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Old 05-11-2008, 12:00 PM   #26
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AICN/CHUD Blacklash

There is another 'article' posted at CHUD today talking about the negative buzz surrounding Indy, and hinting at people in the film industry who are unsatisfied...it even goes so far as to theorize that Lucas and Spielberg may end up enemies as a result of this film...

http://chud.com/articles/articles/14...TES/Page1.html

This for me is the final straw regarding this kind of 'reporting.'

There is not a single fact, source, or bit of evidence in this piece, aside from the mention of the New York Times writer (WHO, by the way, based their reporting on questionable reviews to begin with).

This is 100% unacceptable. It's one thing to post reviews that may or may not be real. It's another thing altogether to hint at catastrophes with nothing to back up such claims.

I took journalism in high school and was the editor-in-chief of my school paper. I'm no expert, but as far as I can remember, things had to be based on something for them to be printed. This, I fear, is the danger inherent with this kind of dissemination of 'news,' especially when it finds its way into seemingly legitimate sources like The New York Times.

I assumed sites like Chud and Aint-it-Cool existed to update fans about the progress of films being made. Now it seems it's more about threading such news with personal opinions, or opinions of unnamed, faceless entities met as a result of these sites being a gateway to fans. You get a poster in the mail, an exclusive picture or trailer for your film news site, and suddenly you're 'in the know' and mixing it up with the bigwigs(?).

Personally, I am really offended at this shoddy, immature enterprise, and think it will be very interesting if the rest of America (who doesn't know or care about such sites) shows up in record numbers to see this film, and ultimately enjoys it. I would say then that the model of operations for such sites could officially be considered OBSOLETE, and would have to change dramatically if they expect to be considered valid at all.

This nest of contempt has been lurking for some time, but I for one am ready for a change.
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:10 PM   #27
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You get a poster in the mail, an exclusive picture or trailer for your film news site, and suddenly you're 'in the know' and mixing it up with the bigwigs(?).

That's how AICN operates (not sure about CHUD). If they get invited onto the set, get exclusive interviews etc. They'll hype the film up and only post the positive reviews. On the other hand if the studio shuns them and doesnt give em anything, they'll cry foul and say the movie sucks. It's all politics really, geeky politics, but politics nonetheless.
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:12 PM   #28
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That's how AICN operates (not sure about CHUD). If they get invited onto the set, get exclusive interviews etc. They'll hype the film up and only post the positive reviews. On the other hand if the studio shuns them and doesnt give em anything, they'll cry foul and say the movie sucks. It's all politics really, geeky politics, but politics nonetheless.

Wow, that's about as childish and self-humiliating as a website can be. At this stage, if all these gibbons did like Indy 4, I'd worry a lot more.
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:12 PM   #29
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So far there have been four supposed reviews posted on AICN, two negative and two positive and I'm listening to the two good ones.
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:56 PM   #30
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CHUD, like AICN, started in the late 90s primarily to feed the geek community with the latest "rumors" swirling around The Phantom Menace and Lord of the Rings.

The sites both grew in popularity, but somewhere along the way they both lost sight of the fact they were simply a geek clearinghouse for the day's movie nerd news... suddenly they thought they had influence... they did not.

The prime example was "Snakes on a Plane". Even the press started to pick up the buzz that this was going to be a huge hit led by Harry Knowles minions who would come out in force... well they did come out in force. Unfortunately people failed to realize they have zero influence because they are a niche group made up primarily of pre-teen/teenage boys or early twenty-somethings. Snakes fell flat on it's face and tanked at the box office.

Next came Grindhouse. Now this one was funny. Being forty I have actually been to "Grindhouse" movies when they played in the late 70s and started to fizzle out in the early 80s. Harry's base obviously has never been to one of these films, let alone seen one. We were told Grindhouse was a troubled production, but not to worry, the teen geek movie goers would save the film... again another bomb.

Now the geeks are all abuzz about Speed Racer... guess what... another bomb. A movie with a $160 million dollar budget that can barely eek out a $20 million opening. Sorry but AICN and CHUD are not good sources for the "inside" scoop on films, or gauging the pulse of film goers.

Relax.


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Old 05-11-2008, 01:15 PM   #31
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That's how AICN operates (not sure about CHUD). If they get invited onto the set, get exclusive interviews etc. They'll hype the film up and only post the positive reviews. On the other hand if the studio shuns them and doesnt give em anything, they'll cry foul and say the movie sucks. It's all politics really, geeky politics, but politics nonetheless.

Yeah, just like the did with Brick, The Fountain, No Country For Old Men, There Will Be Blood, The King Of Kong or ...let's say Capturing The Friedmans.
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:26 PM   #32
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Yeah, just like the did with Brick, The Fountain, No Country For Old Men, There Will Be Blood, The King Of Kong or ...let's say Capturing The Friedmans.

They trashed them all?
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Old 05-11-2008, 02:43 PM   #33
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That's how AICN operates (not sure about CHUD). If they get invited onto the set, get exclusive interviews etc. They'll hype the film up and only post the positive reviews. On the other hand if the studio shuns them and doesnt give em anything, they'll cry foul and say the movie sucks. It's all politics really, geeky politics, but politics nonetheless.

I think it's funny how on the back of the Southland Tales DVD (which I saw in stores a few weeks ago), AICN is the only "critic" quoted about the film.
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Old 05-11-2008, 02:44 PM   #34
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I think it's funny how on the back of the Southland Tales DVD (which I saw in stores a few weeks ago), AICN is the only "critic" quoted about the film.

Talk about backing the wrong horse...
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Old 05-11-2008, 02:50 PM   #35
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They trashed them all?

No! lol
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Old 05-11-2008, 02:58 PM   #36
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No! lol


They...didn't trash them all?
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Old 05-11-2008, 04:47 PM   #37
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can anyone tell me if the AICN review is full of spoilers? i glanced at one of the earlier ones and saw i line i didn't want to read... crap... anyway, i'd like to read something general, without details, but i expect that such is not the case...

or, if it is spoiler-heavy, can someone post quotes of the non-plot/character oriented sections?

thanks!
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Old 05-11-2008, 04:55 PM   #38
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can anyone tell me if the AICN review is full of spoilers? i glanced at one of the earlier ones and saw i line i didn't want to read... crap... anyway, i'd like to read something general, without details, but i expect that such is not the case...

or, if it is spoiler-heavy, can someone post quotes of the non-plot/character oriented sections?

thanks!

They contain nothing that couldn't be determined already, especially for those who've seen certain movie cards.
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Old 05-11-2008, 05:01 PM   #39
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well, i guess i'd rather not confirm my suspicions... only eleven days, anyway...
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:36 PM   #40
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So a ...um....friend of a friend (sounds like BS already doesn't it?) saw Indy 4. I've kown this person for over 10 years. Older person. Loved Raiders and liked the other two somewhat as well. This person's review is basically that the movie is really good. The time flies by. Can't wait to see it again (hardly ever sees movies more than once). Would have changed a thing or two here and there. Blanchet is very good. Shia is very good. Its just really fun and "better than the last ones" not sure if that means TOD and LC or not. Other person who saw it also said the same thing, but this one know it all person said he didn't really like it, but LOVED Speed Racer....

SO there you go. Can't wait!
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:58 PM   #41
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I hope they say crap about Hulk & TDK so those turn out good!
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:29 AM   #42
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Harry's little self-obsessed skit on Indy 4...


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*Apologies if this graphic doesn't stay up. Go to the AICN website (NOOOOOOO!) to see it.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:42 AM   #43
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I think they removed the image/article, The Man. Nothing on the site too.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:44 AM   #44
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I think they removed the image/article, The Man. Nothing on the site too.

It's still up on my end. If there's a little red x box where the image should be, right-click on it, copy its properties and paste them into the Google search box.
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:10 AM   #45
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It's still up on my end. If there's a little red x box where the image should be, right-click on it, copy its properties and paste them into the Google search box.


Munpa's right. The image has been removed...


...Careful, The Man... right click it and save as before you clear it out of your history. Don't go to the site... it's in your temp files... don't refresh the site... just... save and upload elsewhere...
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:33 AM   #46
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This was loaded from Photobucket...



Any joy now? The original image still works for me, so I can't tell if I've made a balls of it.
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:41 AM   #47
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They are both working for me, if only that would really happen to Harry...
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:44 AM   #48
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They are both working for me, if only that would really happen to Harry...

He'd need one hell of a digitally-removable harness.
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:48 AM   #49
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Hahaha. Works alright for me.



To everyone inserting random "I hate aicn/aicn is the worst thing that ever happened to the world" phrases into their posts. Understood. Why not let it go. Just Saying.

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Old 05-12-2008, 10:45 AM   #50
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This for me is the final straw regarding this kind of 'reporting.'

There is not a single fact, source, or bit of evidence in this piece, aside from the mention of the New York Times writer (WHO, by the way, based their reporting on questionable reviews to begin with).

This is 100% unacceptable. It's one thing to post reviews that may or may not be real. It's another thing altogether to hint at catastrophes with nothing to back up such claims.


Welcome to the Internet, buddy
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