tnswman said:
If you hink that Lucas made the SW films for the 30+ crowds, your are FULL of it!! SW is and ALWAYS has been a kid to teen movie! It is NOT lucas's fault that grown men make it the center of their lives and expect him to make the universe tilt how they desire it to....HE HAD TO STAY TRUE TO HIS STORY!! Nobody else matters!! He would have made all 3 SW movies regardless of how Menace did...Thankfully, Menace was a HUGE success. It's not his fault that you GREW up in way's you did not even realize and could not feel the same amazement at the movies as you once did. However, There were MILLIONS of kids who DID get that amazement...They are the SW consumers now..People are age are just Geeks with nothing better to do.
LOL. too funny. First off, if you read my post, I never said I was a Lucas hater, I said he had fantastic ideas and still does, but he also had bad ones, like everyone does. Second, I didn't dispute that he's not allowed to make HIS vision... but I'm allowed to not like it. You're allowed to love it. But he shouldn't be upset if the people who made him millions are disappointed in his work when they KNOW he's capable of better. And the Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back were not made for "kids", how anyone could watch them and think that is beyond me, charred remains of beloved relatives and bloody dismemberment these are always firsts in children's entertainment, I think I saw that on Seseme Street. They were made for EVERYBODY, young and old alike, and they were embraced by everybody young and old alike... the "6-60" crowd that was mentioned, yeah they all loved Star Wars just like they all loved Indy because they loved great films. Take my dad for instance, he was 30 when he saw Star Wars and he was blown away, he loved it... he's not Star Wars nut, didn't buy memorabilia, toys, shirts, isn't versed in the cannon of the universe or any of that... just really loved the movies for what they were and fast forward 20 years to the prequels, he just wasn't all that impressed he thought they were neat and had some fun moments in them but was overly underwhelmed and this is a guy who still gets pumped up like a kid when he goes to the movies.
It wasn't until Jedi that he started gearing the films towards 6 year olds with the ewoks (and then later took it to the next level with poop and fart jokes) but having "child-like amazement" over a movie and having a movie be bad are two different things, and the prequels are not good "films". They have a lot of good ideas and underneath it all, there's a pretty good story in there, but overall, they're not presented well at all. My biggest gripes are with George Lucas saying things like "I always planned on him being 8" when he's documented as saying otherwise early on in his life. Or saying "the problem with sci-fi movies is they spend too much time showing off the effects when they should be focusing on the story" and then 30 years later saying "that shot was in there just to show off the armor". He hasn't adhered to his own principles. Watch his old interviews and then his new ones, there's so many inconsistencies it's not even funny. And then he just says that he didn't say that, or he tries to make the public forget he did.
I still have the highest hopes for Indy IV and I hope upon hope it's a great film, because I really want it to be. I'm still a Indy fan, I'm still a Star Wars fan, I'm still a Spielberg fan, hell I'm still, despite it all, a Lucas fan... but to have these delusions that Lucas is some sort of god and is infallible... come off it. If he was so perfect, his initial idea of little green men running around after Indy would be on the screen. But Ford and Spielberg told him hell no. So clearly not all of his ideas are genius.
I mean he even said:
"It wasn't quite as wacky as I wanted it to be, but it still is subtle and nice and works really well and has the same idea behind it.''
(and I still think Ford and Spielberg would have rather not done anything with aliens, but Lucas would not relent so they gave over, but none of that can be proven so it's merely speculation on my part)
So here's hoping I'm proven wrong and Indy IV is spectacular!