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Old 12-10-2007, 10:21 PM   #101
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I should qualify by saying that he (and Lucas) are excellent businessmen. That's where they excel. Certainly don't think either man is a great filmmaker though.

I'd be inclined to agree with you more in regards to Lucas, but even then...
I think both men where great directors in the early years, when they were young and hungry- and still just directors. AMERICAN GRAFFITI, STAR WARS, DUEL, JAWS, CEO3K, RAIDERS... A director might be lucky enough to make one of those films by simply surrounding themselves with the right people- but luck doesn't come that often. Movies are like ships, you can have all the right crew, but if you don't have a good captain- you're either going to end up lost or on the rocks (or both).
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:42 PM   #102
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Yeah, even if he just isn't your cup of tea, to say Spielberg "got lucky a few times" is pretty ridiculous IMO. Plenty of fine actors who've worked with him think he's brilliant, actors who've worked with all the best directors (John Hurt is a recent convert). Are these people all idiots? I don't think so.

Sometimes his melodrama and sentimental side is a little too much for me to handle; he's shown more restraint recently, but he often pushes it to the max. But sometimes it's just magical, like the last half hour of Close Encounters. Even if you don't like that side of him, though, he is widely acknowledged as a technical master. From a craft standpoint, he is almost peerless.
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:45 PM   #103
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So Steven Spielberg got lucky? Wow. That's one hell of a lucky streak he has. So Jaws, E.T., Indiana Jones, Poltergeist, Back to the Future Trilogy, Jurassic Park, etc... were all right place, right time, right people? Right...

And don't get me started about George Lucas. As much as a Original Star Wars Trilogy fan I am, I still believe Star Wars was a fluke. In no way was it a masterpiece. And I cannot abide all the "Official" documentaries on Star Wars where George Lucas basically pats himself on the back the whole freakin time.
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Old 12-10-2007, 11:38 PM   #104
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I think aliens would be great in an indiana jones movie, you guys think it sounds cheesy but there have been several movies that gave a grim & dark perspective on aliens, how about 'Fire in the sky'? Or 'signs'? Has anyone here played the game Deus Ex?

I personally hope that this movie will be darker than the previous jones movies, like the second one.
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Old 12-10-2007, 11:46 PM   #105
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So Steven Spielberg got lucky? Wow. That's one hell of a lucky streak he has. So Jaws, E.T., Indiana Jones, Poltergeist, Back to the Future Trilogy, Jurassic Park, etc... were all right place, right time, right people? Right...

And don't get me started about George Lucas. As much as a Original Star Wars Trilogy fan I am, I still believe Star Wars was a fluke. In no way was it a masterpiece. And I cannot abide all the "Official" documentaries on Star Wars where George Lucas basically pats himself on the back the whole freakin time.


Hahaha, Jaws. Poltergeist. Jurassic Park!?!?! AHAH. And next you're gonna try and convince me that Schindler's List was anything more than exploitation.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:05 AM   #106
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And next you're gonna try and convince me that Schindler's List was anything more than exploitation.

Oh, I'm sure they had a grand old time filming that four-story pile of burning corpses. I bet between takes Spielberg was planning what to do with his royalty check, predicting the opening weekend gross, laughing over this film he was making to "exploit" the story of the attempted extermination of his own race...
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:19 AM   #107
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Oh, I'm sure they had a grand old time filming that four-story pile of burning corpses. I bet between takes Spielberg was planning what to do with his royalty check, predicting the opening weekend gross, laughing over this film he was making to "exploit" the story of the attempted extermination of his own race...

Another one suckered into mass-mania. And I bet you're gonna tell me Haggis' Crash (notCrash) was a touching and meaningful portrayal of a racism pandemic in America.

Malarkey.

Big cast, big budget, big director, shallow script that only sought to manipulate the audience for the sake of an Oscar. Same as notCrash. Godawful films.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:47 AM   #108
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IF they have aliens in KoCS they will only be mentioned of, not seen.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:49 AM   #109
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IF they have aliens in KoCS they will only be mentioned of, not seen.

Yeah... bones and nothing more. Any living aliens and I won't be happy.
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Old 12-11-2007, 01:08 AM   #110
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Seems to me you've already made up your mind on this film. I doubt anything will make you happy.
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Old 12-11-2007, 01:48 AM   #111
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Let me guess-- you fancy yourself an up-and-coming filmmaker? That post had pretentious film school stink all over it.

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No. I fancy myself an aspiring filmmaker.

Called it.
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Old 12-11-2007, 02:24 AM   #112
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Called it.


You called nothing. I have no pretension toward my own skill. I'm entitled, as is anyone else, to formulate a viewpoint toward a certain film or a filmmaker's output. Many do that without any background in film; I have background and have supported my claims which is more than most Spielberg worshipers can do. Relying on the old "well it won an award" or "it made a lot of money" excuse means nothing if the film itself is garbage. If you can't back up the film itself, then you've got nothing. All you predicted is that I have a film education. I have in fact nearly completed my film degree. That doesn't make my point any less valid as you suggested. But nice try.

And to Irish... I haven't made up my mind on the film. I'm still very open minded. But I have decided what I do and do not want to see in an Indy film. Little green men is chief among them. Will I give it a shot? Sure... but I'll be skeptical, highly skeptical. What's the worst that can happen? It'd take a miracle for it to be worse than Last Crusade. But what if it is? Oh well. It's just a mainstream Hollywood film; nothing groundbreaking. All I want out of it is to be entertained like I was as a child.
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Old 12-11-2007, 03:22 AM   #113
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Actually it's not a bad thing to expect the worst. Because you know what happens when you have high expectations? You know what happens when you go see a movie everybody's is talking about how great it is? When you see it, it doesn't look so great anymore. It doesn't fulfill that promise of best movie of the millennium. Over the years many movies have surprised me. Movies I wouldn't ordinarily watch, thinking they would be trash. With that mindset, they turned out okay and sometimes even excellent. I never go see a movie thinking, "Oh yeah, this'll be good!!!"

Personally, I don't want to see any aliens in this new Indy movie, for several reasons. One: aliens and Indy just don't go together. Indy has always been about magic, power of the gods, mysticism. If such things turn out to be of alien origin, it kind of diminishes its impact. Two: the last couple of years alien movies always bring up a "been there, done that" feeling in audiences. At least audiences here in Belgium. Shyamalan's "Signs" was a disappointment. The second half of "The Forgotten" with Julianne Moore was complete rubbish. You could just as well make another movie about an asteroid heading toward earth or tornado's haunting the plains of Kansas. Aliens have had their five minutes of fame and even with a new twist, audiences will STILL think, "Oh no, not aliens AGAIN."
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Old 12-11-2007, 07:19 AM   #114
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Another one suckered into mass-mania. And I bet you're gonna tell me Haggis' Crash (notCrash) was a touching and meaningful portrayal of a racism pandemic in America.

Malarkey.

Big cast, big budget, big director, shallow script that only sought to manipulate the audience for the sake of an Oscar. Same as notCrash. Godawful films.

Speilberg asked not to be paid on that project. He's Jewish and feels very strongly about the Holocaust. You sound alot like Clinton.
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Old 12-11-2007, 07:25 AM   #115
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Another one suckered into mass-mania. And I bet you're gonna tell me Haggis' Crash (notCrash) was a touching and meaningful portrayal of a racism pandemic in America.

Malarkey.

I thought Crash was "decent" at best. It was outrageous that it won an Oscar over those other films. Its message was ham-fisted and way too obvious. I can see, your perception of me is pretty off

Schindler's List is in an entirely different league from Crash...no comparison.
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Old 12-11-2007, 03:45 PM   #116
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Crash and Schindler's List ain't the same ball park, ain't the same league, ain't even the same sport. - jules.
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Old 12-11-2007, 10:28 PM   #117
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No. I fancy myself an aspiring filmmaker.

Your shtick is getting old, sir. Along with the; "behold the power of the search function" replies.
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Old 12-11-2007, 10:39 PM   #118
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Your shtick is getting old, sir. Along with the; "behold the power of the search function" replies.


You people need to realize wha tthis website is and take your drama elsewhere.. The Mods do not need to let this place become just like the rest of the message boards out there.
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Your shtick is getting old, sir. Along with the; "behold the power of the search function" replies.


Aww... somebody doesn't like me. How depressing.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:37 PM   #121
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Numerous rumors have indicated that the Skulls of the title are extraterrestrial in origin; I've pointedly been told that this was absolutely the case. Some online reports have said the "alien" creators of the Crystal Skulls would be suggested by temple statues that were pointedly designed to evoke the aliens in CLOSE ENCOUNTERS (i.e. a deliberate cross-connect between the two films); I know nothing about whether this particular conceit is in any way accurate.
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Old 12-13-2007, 12:31 AM   #122
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The more I hear the more I keep thinking this film will have a degree of SMFM in it. Let's see... Jungle...check.... Possible Area 51...check.... Big Waterfall...check... supposedly kidnapped Indygirl....check.... a possible encounter with aliens...check... a college campus chase...check.... a rumoured church scene....check... New Mexico... check.... Some kind of devestating power in the form of the activation of the Crystal Skulls... sounds like the alien bomb.
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Old 12-13-2007, 04:08 AM   #123
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The more I hear the more I keep thinking this film will have a degree of SMFM in it.

I just had to check out that Saucer Men from Mars thing that's mentioned around. I read a synopsis at indyfan.com and... But to be honest, this whole alien gods + Mayan temples stuff always reminds me of the Alien / Predator movies. So I kinda hope they don't really go that way, because it's done to death. If they do go that way... I'm praying that the story works.
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:47 AM   #124
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I just had to check out that Saucer Men from Mars thing that's mentioned around. I read a synopsis at indyfan.com and... But to be honest, this whole alien gods + Mayan temples stuff always reminds me of the Alien / Predator movies. So I kinda hope they don't really go that way, because it's done to death. If they do go that way... I'm praying that the story works.


Alien vs. Predator was exactly what I was thinking.
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Old 12-13-2007, 01:48 PM   #125
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Jungle...check.... Possible Area 51...check.... Big Waterfall...check... supposedly kidnapped Indygirl....check.... a possible encounter with aliens...check... a college campus chase...check.... a rumoured church scene....check... New Mexico... check....
And now, the ants.
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