Rocket Surgeon said:
Per Se...sure, if you take his sentence OUT of context it's not racist.
He said her decisions could be tainted "due to the fact that she is indeed Catholic." Where's the racism? He did say that the majority of Hispanics are Catholic, but I don't believe that qualifies as racism, does it?
Pale Horse said:
I'm totally with you, totally. speaking in small print 'cause this topic is generating a lot of buzz and my companions are knee deep in it.
Oh, okay. I understand now.
RedeemedChild said:
One such statement from Star Trek III The Search for Spock...
Is it possible that you could engage in open debate without quoting a film, for Christ's sake (and my own, for that matter)? Is cinema the full scope of your knowledge of the world?
And, by the way, the point of that quote was that it was a paradox and is the antithesis of any utilitarian logic. I seriously doubt anyone in that film would expect this one axiom to apply to all situations.
RedeemedChild said:
Regarding what you said regarding "good works" the Holy Scriptures tell us...
Did you ever think that perhaps, just perhaps, there is truth to be found outside of your little book?
And now, for a gem of a statement that I found a while back...
RedeemedChild said:
Furthermore as a Protestant I don't agree with Obama's moral position on Abortion and Gay Rights either.
You know, last time I checked there was a clause outlining Separation of Church and State somewhere in that thing they call the Constitution... Hmmm.
You know, the morality of the issue isn't what matters, when it comes to same-sex marriage, at least. I do agree with you on abortion, not because of my religion, but because I think it violates the Rights of the unborn. But that's another argument itself.
But when it comes to "Gay Rights," well, first off, I have to wonder how anyone can oppose "Rights" for homosexuals. Aren't they citizens? Aren't they Americans just like you and I? What "Rights" should they be deprived of? In referencing "Gay Rights," aren't you implying that their Rights are being infringed upon?
It seems that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of government. "Gay Rights" isn't a question of morality; it's a question of civil liberties. It seems that you think it would be convenient if America were composed of so many mindless drones and that our nation would be utterly utopian if only we had a government strong enough to impress its moral resolve on the populace.
But indeed the opposite is true, and our Founding Fathers knew this. The role of any government, as penned by Thomas Jefferson and embodied, indeed enshrined, in the Constitution, is to secure and protect the unalienable rights of its people, to ensure that Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are available for all (including our friends, the homosexuals).
But you seem to want to impose his own will on all Americans, throwing Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness for a minority to the wind.
The fact is that our Constitution is set up to allow to each his or her own moral convictions, and while your interpretation of scripture and your faith in Protestantism may lead you to oppose homosexuality, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment (that pesky little line that outlines Separation of Church and State) prevents Washington from forcing others to abide by your creed. Each American must decide how to live his or her life, and it is not, by any means, the job of an Orwellian Big Brother to decide the validity of homosexuality as a lifestyle.
By allowing heterosexual unions and precluding the existence of same-sex unions, the government is essentially putting its stamp on heterosexuality and saying to the homosexuals of the country, "We don't think you're equal."
Regardless of your thoughts on homosexuality, there is simply no legal basis by which to continue denying Rights to homosexual Americans. At the very least, our nation’s legislatures (state by state, because, in our current state of affairs, federalism dictates that each state must decide its own marriage laws) should grant strengthened same-sex civil unions.
To deny such a basic freedom to masses of Americans, without any legal basis, is in no way conducive to the preservation of Liberty, and sets a precedent for the legislation of morality that cannot be allowed.