Movies on the wrong side of wrong!

JuniorJones

TR.N Staff Member
On other threads there is discussion regarding the morality of the indy trilogy. I would like to open this debate to movies that are on the wrong side of wrong.

M'lord, I would like to enter the film known as CON-AIR for proscution for the glorification of pedophillia

Steve Buscemi's character is the most prolific pedophille in the USA and is being transported on the con-air plane. He's kind of funny and quirky so he's not that bad.

Remember, he's the worst in America so please convienently forget anything you may know about pedophilles and the damage of their crime.

During the onsuing mayhem he escapes but then has an incident where he see a young girl alone on a swing, the temptation is great but heroically walks away.

In movie terms he's now officially cured.

If you are an expert in this field of psychology you will know full well that as to the best way to cure pedophillia is to let them free, without supervision, present them see their hearts desire and they will ultimatley make the right moral choice. That how it works.

At the end of the film the last shot is of Buscemi playing craps at Vegas. He is now the audiences funny pedo hero. What a guy!

Anyone want to defend?
 
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kongisking

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I started to type some sort of defense for this character, but I soon stopped and erased it, cause I can't think of a good argument. You got me, Junior. Congrats!
 

Moedred

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The worst I've seen is Ricochet. Lithgow escapes prison and defames Denzel. Ice T is the crack dealer with a heart of gold. It's like they made a bet they could shoehorn in every imaginable depravity, including child porn. This was 1991, so it was in magazine form.

And how did Ebert sum up Bad Boys 2? "Everybody involved in this project needs to do some community service."
 

Joe Brody

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Great thread -- couple of quick thoughts on Movies that are on the wrong side of Wrong:

1. Speaking of pedophillia . . . .

Am I the only person that was greatly disturbed by Little Miss Sunshine?

People think this was a feel-good movie?

2. I'd put just about every Philip Seymour Hoffman movie I've ever seen in this category. Does this mean that he's actually in real life a repugnant person or one of the greatest actors of all time?

3. The whole far-east origins aspect of Batman Begins

4. Sideways

and of course:

5. Top Gun


Should we do the inverse? Films (or aspects thereof?) that are on the right side of right?
 

JuniorJones

TR.N Staff Member
Should we do the inverse? Films (or aspects thereof?) that are on the right side of right?

Nah! Keep it to the wrong side. These movies must be morally bankrupt either intentionally or unintentionally

Top Gun is a GREAT film. Now that's a real man's film especially the shower sequences and the volleyball. :p

Once you watch this with an understanding of the subtext it's an even better movie!!

For this Tony Scott is a very naughty boy and needs awarding for his services to irony.
 

caats

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Joe Brody said:
Great thread -- couple of quick thoughts on Movies that are on the wrong side of Wrong:

1. Speaking of pedophillia . . . .

Am I the only person that was greatly disturbed by Little Miss Sunshine?

3. The whole far-east origins aspect of Batman Begins

I was def disturbed at the end of that movie, and it was not feel good at all to me like some say. I thought it was overly depressing and crap.

what was wrong with those origins? follows the comics really.
 

Chewbacca Jones

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JuniorJones said:
Steve Buscemi's character is the most prolific pedophille in the USA


I thought it was the prolific serial killer. I mean, it only makes him marginally less horrid, but... Looks like I need to watch me a morally bankrupt movie again.

I know I've seen my share of movies that are just wrong, but I'm totally blanking. Maybe that's a good thing.
 

Violet

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The film "Big" is disturbing in one way.... the fact that the chick sleeps with Tom Hanks who's really a 13 year old, now that's totally wrong for a kids/ family movie! I know she didn't know at the time, but seriously, there's a feeling of awkwardness in those final scenes when she realises it and sees him as a 13 year old.

I didn't like "Little Miss Sunshine" either. I thought that was such a load of sheeeet. Also agree on "Sideways" and every Phillip Seymour Hoffman movie.

I don't actually like "Batman Begins" and "Dark Knight", but I don't think my disliking those films can justified in the moral debate here. I just prefer Tim Burton's films and "Batman Forever", but not the atrocity of "Batman and Robin" (1997), however I feel sorry for Uma Thurman who did a great job with Poison Ivy.
 

Dr. Gonzo

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Batman Forever? Really? Why?

I think mister Schumacher really dropped the ball when it comes to the Batman franchise.
 

JuniorJones

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Pretty Woman.

It's the fairytale romance that happens everyday on the kerb crawling streets of New York.

A truely morally bankrupt film but I suppose $500m in reciepts says otherwise.
 

JuniorJones

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John Wayne. The Green Berets.

Propaganda at it's worst.

"Out here, due process is with a bullet!" spoken by Wayne.

Shame on you Hollywood.
 

Moedred

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Indecent Proposal was vapid but some looked for deeper meaning. Bridges of Madison County made infidelity redemptive, and Extract tried to play it for laughs.

Manhattan and Rich Kids from 1979 were very casual about pedophilia, as were the masses.

Quills and Kinsey and People vs Larry Flynt disregarded anything that would have reflected their subjects unfavorably... like Flynt's daughters, who he molested.

The sequel and prequels to Silence of the Lambs were clearly rooting for Hannibal Lecter, which happens in monster sequels. Fortunately the franchise which never should have been is dead.
 
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Violet

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Dr. Gonzo said:
Batman Forever? Really? Why?

I think mister Schumacher really dropped the ball when it comes to the Batman franchise.

Happy childhood memories, I guess. Back in those days, WB Movieworld (the one where I live) was actually good, and on the Studio Tour, they used to let you in the Riddler's Lair, and they even did a night time Batman show in the summer. Because my Dad was working for a hotel in the tourist district at the time, that same hotel had a Batman thing going and I got to be there for free, on their final dress rehearsal, being their test audience and had a one on one meet and greet with Batman and Robin. It was a great thing to be a Batman fan and a kid in the 90s. I don't really like the film nearly as much anymore.

That and on the DVD' interviews, Schumacher actually apologises for making "Batman & Robin", so I guess it's also the sympathy card being played. I also thought that Jim Carrey was a good pick for Riddler and Val Kilmer was far better than George Clooney in the role of Batman. I mean, seriously what were they thinking picking Clooney??? Schumacher doesn't seem to come off a bad guy in those interviews either. I mean do you honestly see Spielberg and Lucas in ten years time, apologising to the fans for the mistakes they made with KOTCS?
 

DocWhiskey

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When it comes to Schumacher's Batman and Robin, I think a lot of fans forget about the comic era it's based on. If you read the Batman and Robin comics from the 60's, they're goofy, outlandish, and quite awful. And, in a way, Schmuahcer made one of the best comic adaptions of all time, the thing is, the comics he adapted were terrible, so the movie was too. People get way too angry at that movie. It's cheesy, visually eye catching, and entertaining. I'd throw it in the "so bad it's good" pile. And I'm a huge Batman fan. Don't be surprised if a Batman movie sucks, because there are A LOT of Batman comics that suck too.
 

Montana Smith

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DocWhiskey said:
When it comes to Schumacher's Batman and Robin, I think a lot of fans forget about the comic era it's based on. If you read the Batman and Robin comics from the 60's, they're goofy, outlandish, and quite awful. And, in a way, Schmuahcer made one of the best comic adaptions of all time, the thing is, the comics he adapted were terrible, so the movie was too. People get way too angry at that movie. It's cheesy, visually eye catching, and entertaining. I'd throw it in the "so bad it's good" pile. And I'm a huge Batman fan. Don't be surprised if a Batman movie sucks, because there are A LOT of Batman comics that suck too.

I agree with you, Doc. Batman Forever and Batman and Robin have the same appeal as the old Republic serials, so bad that you can't tear yourself away from watching, just to see how bad they can get! For me, they will always be on the wrong side of wrong.

I also disliked the '60s era Batman, which spawned the TV series (which I find quite creepy - Caesar Romero was creepier than Heath Ledger, but then I find clowns disturbing!)
 

Crack that whip

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Joe Brody said:
1. Speaking of pedophillia . . . .

Am I the only person that was greatly disturbed by Little Miss Sunshine?

People think this was a feel-good movie?

I don't know. Do they? I think it was (er, is) a good movie. I certainly don't know that it advocates some repugnant moral stance, but it's been a while since I saw it...

Joe Brody said:
4. Sideways

Now, this I'm quite sure I wouldn't put here. The two male leads certainly act in reprehensible ways, but the movie's not out to justify their behavior (and sees to it that a certain amount of justice is meted out, while still allowing room for redemption). But perhaps that's me...
 

tambourineman

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I actually come to appreciate Schumacher a little more after watching the features and commentary on 'Batman & Robin'. He actually flat out says that the studio told him to make a 2 hour toy commercial. And the nipples on the suits arent quite so awful when he explains the reasoning behind them.
 
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