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Old 03-18-2009, 12:32 AM   #26
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Although it breaks with tradition... What about 2 movies shot back to back i.e. 2 movies, 1 story (with a cliffhanger after the first part)?

I once thought this might be an interesting option for Indy 4, since I didn't expect them to still be considering a sequel afterwards. But even though Indy is famous for cliffhangers, I just don't think audiences enjoy them as an ending. When I saw The Matrix Reloaded, the audience actually cursed the screen as the "to be continued" appeared.

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These movies are made in such a certain way, and each one is so obviously self-contained, that I don't think they'd stray from their formula this far into the series.

The other aspect is that each film essentially has its own unique flavor and style. I think you would lose that by trying to film two at once.
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:03 AM   #27
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+1!!!!



Back the Future 2+3, Kill Bill 1+2? No thanks. If there is an example you can think of that didn't fall flat on it's face somewhere in the second flick, I could be persuaded, though.

GL and SP are such creatures of habit with the IJ franchise that I doubt they would shake up the format of one of these movies that much anyway. These movies are made in such a certain way, and each one is so obviously self-contained, that I don't think they'd stray from their formula this far into the series.

Off the top of my head... 'The Lord of The Rings'. I actually like both the 'Back to the Future' movies and 'Kill Bill'... but that's just me.

Anyways, not saying it would work or that they'd even do it... but it is a solution to get two other movies out in fairly quick succession.

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I once thought this might be an interesting option for Indy 4, since I didn't expect them to still be considering a sequel afterwards. But even though Indy is famous for cliffhangers, I just don't think audiences enjoy them as an ending. When I saw The Matrix Reloaded, the audience actually cursed the screen as the "to be continued" appeared.


I know what you mean with the 'Matrix Reloaded'. That was annoying...

As far as back to back Indy's are concerned (I should have been more clear)... I wasn't necessarily thinking of a story split over 2 movies (without a conclusion in part 1) a la 'Matrix Reloaded', but rather each movie self contained with an underlying theme, with one adventure leading directly into the next (more akin to Star Wars).
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:29 PM   #28
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Weren't the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels also shot simultaneously? This one reason why I initially thought it might be an option for Indy, since the practice has become more commonplace in recent years.

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Anyways, not saying it would work or that they'd even do it... but it is a solution to get two other movies out in fairly quick succession.

I thought it would be a smart move on Ford's part, since they could film two, then release them over a period of 3-5 years. Or simply film a portion of one, much like Lucas did with the prequels. (Even though the latter was, I believe, just a few short scenes on Tatooine.)

But even though there's precedent for it, I don't really think it would ever happen. Still, if it were the only way for us to get two more Indiana Jones films starring Harrison Ford, I would absolutely be in favor of it.
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Old 03-19-2009, 08:55 PM   #29
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Although it breaks with tradition... What about 2 movies shot back to back i.e. 2 movies, 1 story (with a cliffhanger after the first part)?

Uhm... nah, I would sincerely prefer two different stories, completely not linked from one another.

I'm still secretly hoping for a prequel to "Kingdom"!! And I would be ok with that.
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:49 PM   #30
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I just read through this thread again, and Stoo, you are the man. I heavily agree with you on:

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Obviously, it’s a matter of preference but I think a snow environment holds enough potential to sustain the majority of the film (equal to the Egyptian and island portion of “Raiders”). Whether it “gets quite bland” or not all depends on how it’s handled. Apart from colour, or lack thereof, it isn’t that much different from a desert. Both are bleak but photographing either of them well can yield some stunning visuals.

As for perilous situations to be found with ice'n'snow, there are plenty of those so a cold locale could work well for a large chunk of a story. Of course, jungles & deserts are the mainstays of Indyland but a wintery climate would make a welcome, refreshing twist and is perhaps the most logical direction for the series should take to avoid retreading old ground.

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I'm seeing red on white.

I'm by and large very pleased with the direction this thread is going. Any and all input/ideas for snowy Indy are welcome here!
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Old 03-19-2009, 11:29 PM   #31
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I'm still secretly hoping for a prequel to "Kingdom"!! And I would be ok with that.

The great thing about the Indy series is that it really doesn't matter.

It could be a prequel- even as the 'final' entry in the franchise. Or it could be a sequel that finds Mutt and Marion featured as cameos- if at all. Or it could be a sequel has all three factoring in somehow.

The only cardinal rule- for me at least- is that Harrison Ford has to be wearing the fedora.
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Old 03-20-2009, 02:22 AM   #32
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One thing that would help this happen is for somebody to start whispering "Doctor Zhivago" in Spielberg's ear.
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Old 03-20-2009, 04:40 AM   #33
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The great thing about the Indy series is that it really doesn't matter.

It could be a prequel- even as the 'final' entry in the franchise. Or it could be a sequel that finds Mutt and Marion featured as cameos- if at all. Or it could be a sequel has all three factoring in somehow.

The only cardinal rule- for me at least- is that Harrison Ford has to be wearing the fedora.

I think you are right in that it doesn't really matter with Indy, as his adventures are not that linear.

However, like KOTCS, one thing they can't do is avoid Ford's age. And for that reason, I believe that they will always need a younger second lead as a foil (a la Mutt), to ensure the movie can appeal to a wider audience. So it makes sense to me that, unless they want to bring in as yet unseen daughter/niece of Indy, Mutt is probably the best option... and therefore Indy V would probably be a straight follow on from KOTCS (for better of worse).
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Old 03-20-2009, 01:50 PM   #34
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And for that reason, I believe that they will always need a younger second lead as a foil (a la Mutt), to ensure the movie can appeal to a wider audience.

It's an issue, but one that was probably more critical prior to KOTCS. Paramount began to cool on the idea of Indy 4 several years ago, especially as the old age jokes began to increase. However, they were reportedly very impressed with Ford's ability to carry the film at the box office, and the fears over Shia replacing him did not escape their attention. It's also becoming more common to see an aging actor headline a hit film (ie. Rocky Balboa; Die Hard 4; Gran Torino; Taken).

I suspect that Ford may have bought himself a few more years with KOTCS. Paramount is open to another Indy film, and I doubt they would balk if the cast ended up being comprised of actors over 30 or 40.

But even assuming they did want a younger face, it could always be a sidekick other than Mutt. I just don't believe any Indy film could ever be limited to the events of its predecessor. There's always a way to get Indy out of a bind.
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Old 03-20-2009, 07:48 PM   #35
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It's an issue, but one that was probably more critical prior to KOTCS. Paramount began to cool on the idea of Indy 4 several years ago, especially as the old age jokes began to increase. However, they were reportedly very impressed with Ford's ability to carry the film at the box office, and the fears over Shia replacing him did not escape their attention. It's also becoming more common to see an aging actor headline a hit film (ie. Rocky Balboa; Die Hard 4; Gran Torino; Taken).

I suspect that Ford may have bought himself a few more years with KOTCS. Paramount is open to another Indy film, and I doubt they would balk if the cast ended up being comprised of actors over 30 or 40.

But even assuming they did want a younger face, it could always be a sidekick other than Mutt. I just don't believe any Indy film could ever be limited to the events of its predecessor. There's always a way to get Indy out of a bind.

I agree that Ford will always be the main attraction of an Indy movie (assuming it’s not a re-boot). But I’m pretty sure some of the box office success of KOTCS was a direct result of pairing Ford with the "bright young thing", Shia. At this moment, I’d be willing to bet my home that Shia’s contribution to KOTCS, almost guarantees the inclusion of an under 25 year old leading character in an Indy V movie. Whether that’s Mutt or not, I’m not that fussed... It’s just that he was quite a good sidekick, and there is still plenty of untapped father & son banter/emotion left to be had. So why invent that particular wheel with someone else?
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:12 AM   #36
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Here's an absolutely insane idea for 5 & 6 that I cooked up today. Nazis have been done, and Russian Communists have been done. Problem, they're both great. Who else is there without the idea getting stale? Hmmm. Why not ramp it up a notch? Commies vs. post-war Nazis in Antarctica, with Indy caught between them both!! A small outpost that never needed to disband or surrender because their location was so well hidden. The commies find out about their presence while searching for one of the lost "Hall of Records". Some brutal hatred between these two countries during the war, you know. Anyway, we can let the nazis lose for good down by the south pole. The "Hall of Records" then yields the information on how to access "Even ha-Shetiyah.", located a mile or two under the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

For Indy 6? Who would Indy fight after Nazis and Communists? His own government. That's right, you heard me. For his swan song, Indy has to battle a rogue faction of U.S. soldiers bent on harnessing the power of The Ark of The Covenant for their own evil purposes. Indy, rather than running, hiding and being chased himself, becomes the active pursuer! The rest of the movie viewing world would probably appreciate the Indyverse finding some bad guys within our own country. In the end, (and I know I've said this elsewhere), the ark destroys the bad guys, and Indy hides it himself to assure its' safety until God is ready for it to be found again and placed in the "Tribulation Temple". In doing so, our hero's true mission on earth as the ark's protector is revealed. The world weary adventurer is then consumed by the power of the ark and gloriously ascends into the next life.

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Old 03-21-2009, 10:50 PM   #37
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Since KOTCS establishes that Indiana Jones can find space aliens,
he can join an arctic expedition which finds a flying saucer buried in the ice.

A saucer passenger is brought back to the settlement frozen in a block of ice.

Someone throws an electric blanket on the ice because he doesn't want to
look at the creature.

The blanket is still warm.

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Old 03-21-2009, 11:10 PM   #38
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For his swan song, Indy has to battle a rogue faction of U.S. soldiers bent on harnessing the power of The Ark of The Covenant for their own evil purposes.
Who says they have to be rogue?
Why couldn't Indy (in the 1960's) face off against the US Government, which wants to use the Ark to bring the war in Vietnam and Communism to a quick end (somewhat reminiscent of Dr. Manhatten in Watchmen)?
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:27 PM   #39
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Who says they have to be rogue?
Why couldn't Indy (in the 1960's) face off against the US Government, which wants to use the Ark to bring the war in Vietnam and Communism to a quick end (somewhat reminiscent of Dr. Manhatten in Watchmen)?

I say "rogue" just to give Indy the opportunity to maim and kill without appearing unpatriotic. There are plenty of american fans that wouldn't be able to reconcile their own feelings about this country and the sight of Indy harming U.S. soldiers. I just think it would be a way to side-step this obvious writing pitfall.

Besides, Watchmen is set in an alternative 1985, this gives the Watchmen story a little more leeway for creative license. Indy, however, is set in the real world, and in our past. Therefore Indy's actions towards his government have to be held to a somewhat higher standard--and not contradict our own history at the same time.

Moving on, how would you like to see Indy face off with one of these!!! After all, natural disaster* type stuff has been a part of the Indy tradition: Whitewater rapids, flood (TOD), earthquakes (LC), Waterfalls, quicksand, *nuke* (KOTCS).

*[EDIT] which is to say "disaster", period.

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Old 03-22-2009, 02:15 PM   #40
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I say "rogue" just to give Indy the opportunity to maim and kill without appearing unpatriotic. There are plenty of american fans that wouldn't be able to reconcile their own feelings about this country and the sight of Indy harming U.S. soldiers.

Well it worked for Rambo in 'First Blood'. If we can just est. that these guys are EVIL, I don't think the audience would have a problem.
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Well it worked for Rambo in 'First Blood'. If we can just est. that these guys are EVIL, I don't think the audience would have a problem.
Exactly. This is, after all, the 1960's we're talking about. The McCarthy-ist army officers in KotCS were shown in a bad light, and it would be rather easy for the army, or at least a few army leaders, to be shown as men who are so obsessed with defeating Communism that they succumb to evil.
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Well it worked for Rambo in 'First Blood'. If we can just est. that these guys are EVIL, I don't think the audience would have a problem.

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at least a few army leaders, to be shown as men who are so obsessed with defeating Communism that they succumb to evil.


To say that these examples are not rogue factions of an otherwise benevolent government, but that they are isolated evil factions of an otherwise benevolent government is really just splitting hairs. I don't have a problem with an evil us govt enemy, I came up with the idea.

What do you guys think about the avalanche idea?
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To say that these examples are not rogue factions of an otherwise benevolent government, but that they are isolated evil factions of an otherwise benevolent government is really just splitting hairs.
Yeah, I guess so. Sorry.
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What do you guys think about the avalanche idea?
It's okay. I'm not a huge fan of it. I guess he could be snow-mobiling down the side of it to escape it while his enemies are covered by the crashing snow.
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Old 03-23-2009, 02:17 PM   #44
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What do you guys think about the avalanche idea?
I had one in my fanfic, a final bonus action scene... the forgotten champagne villain is cast out of Heaven (Eden) and falls back to Earth as a meteoroid causing the avalanche. An unlikely member of the team pulls Indy (who thought the adventure was over) behind an outcropping.

The only escapes that come to mind are outrun, ride, natural shelter, unnatural shelter. Maybe Spielberg's ball of life preservers from the Raiders transcripts... or he's buried, and following his whip tied to a makeshift buoy on the surface is the only way he knows which way is up... or behind a tree that creaks against the blast then snaps off right above Indy's head, whilst the villain who hid behind a large semicircular root system of a felled tree is crushed when the tree rights itself again, buried for good like a mafia victim under a sapling.

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or behind a tree that creaks against the blast then snaps off right above Indy's head... or he's buried, and following his whip tied to something on the surface is the only way he knows which way is up.

Those are both pretty cool ideas, Moe!

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or behind a tree that creaks against the blast then snaps off right above Indy's head, whilst the villain who hid behind a large semicircular root system of a felled tree is crushed when the tree rights itself again, buried for good like a mafia victim under a sapling.

That's also pretty decent, as long as it's not the main villain. That sort of death goes to a lackey, as it's kind of along the lines with the nazi who gets run over by the truck in ROTLA.

Me likey!!

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Old 03-23-2009, 03:09 PM   #46
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Arrow First Shot from Indy 5!

"I don't know HOW I'm gonna get outta this one..."



Made from the cool photo that Indy's Bro posted and a shot from "Mystery of the Blues" that's NOT IN "Mystery of the Blues".



About a 15 min. drive from our summer cottage in Quebec is a small village named, Lost River, which doubled as Russia in the recent "Get Smart" movie. It's about time we had Indy in Canada, eh?
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Stoo, I wish cusswords didn't get censored, because I would love to tell you (in no uncertain terms) that pic is F*cking Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-24-2009, 12:57 PM   #48
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Well, that picture alone is more thrilling and adventurous than "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" in its entirety!!!! AMAZING JOB!!!
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There's a debunked urban legend that the AT-AT's from Star Wars were inspired by Port of Oakland shipping container cranes. Now I wonder if aerosan images were among the WWII footage studied by George's team in the 70's... that aerosan sure looks like the head of chicken walker (AT-ST).
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@Indy's Brother and The Stranger:
Thanks, guys! Too bad I couldn't get a sharper screencap of Indy, it would've looked even better. "Wish Threads" aren't usaully my thing but this one is my cup o' tea. Anwyay, I have another image cookin'...

Funny you mention the AT-AT reference, Moedred, because the metallic colours on Hoth are what I was going for and, yes, it does slightly resemble the scout walker. Even some of J.Johnston's production designs more than the finished product.

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Yes, and I was thinking of Akira Kurosawa's "Dersu Uzala". 75% of the film is set on the bleakest snowscape imaginable yet every shot is a work of art.

This also brings to mind 2 Disney films with some Indy-esque, snow-bound action scenes:

In Search of the Castaways (based on Jules Verne's "Children of Captain Grant") has a zany, rollercoaster ride through a vast maze of ice caves and has similar vein to the raft sequence in "Doom". Many people bash that part but I like it.

Island at the Top of the World is an adventure film in every sense of the word and is highly recommended to any Indy fans. It has a dirigible, a lost community of Vikings and a whales' graveyard. One escape scene is well-suited for Indy and (without giving too much away) it involves the collapse of some gigantic, ice stalactites that provide a very, brief window of opportunity for the heroes. I love this flick. Check it out if you can...
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