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Old 06-07-2008, 07:14 AM   #51
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YES!!!!!!
I like it. I like it. Good one, Adam!

I know "Fate of Atlantis" is 1939. What is the other game with her?

Infernal machine was the other game with Sophia. I think that took place around '47. Sophia also appeared in one of the comics. Thunder of The Orient I think. As it stands I like Sophia more than any of the female charcaters from the movie's and I think she's a better match for Indy than Marion.
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Old 06-07-2008, 07:25 AM   #52
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In response to the first rumors of Indy's son, didn't Shia himself state that he thought Indy 4 would've been more interesting if Indy had a daughter instead of a son? Personally, I'm glad we got Mutt, if not just so we didn't have to have a really brief but awkward potential love relationship between Indy and his daughter before he finds out. I admit it'd be kinda funny, but I think I'd cringe, or you know...

A Luke and Leia scenario? Hmmm...
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:53 AM   #53
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I think mutt worked out great

Henrieta Jones LOL

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Old 06-07-2008, 11:22 AM   #54
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Henrieta Jones LOL

I wouldn't put it past them to call her that. The predictability of Mutt is what really shocked.
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Old 06-07-2008, 01:18 PM   #55
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I wouldn't put it past them to call her that. The predictability of Mutt is what really shocked.

Couldn't they have picked a name that wasn't so obviously a dog's name? I didn't know Indiana was named after the dog till the end of Last Crusade.
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Old 06-07-2008, 04:19 PM   #56
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Elektra, Catwoman, Aeon flux, and Ultraviolet are all flat out horrible films. The Lara Croft and Resident Evil films are okay, but special.

The reasons these movies didn't have that much success was because they ranged from horrible to okay.

While those movies may have not done so well, The old Wonder Woman TV series was fairly succesful, as was Xena, and Buffy. Females can make good strong heroes, and people do enjoy watching them. It's just that with this, as it is with anything, it has to be done well.
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Old 06-07-2008, 04:58 PM   #57
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Sackhoff is still the best choice. Watch her in Battlestar Galactica - or some of the otherwise dross movies she's made - and you'll see that she's hot, cool, strong, vulnerable, funny, sympathetic, beautiful yet not distractingly so. Everything that defines Indiana Jones, really. She's also not so well known as to command too much pre-release attention.
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Old 06-08-2008, 11:45 AM   #58
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Infernal machine was the other game with Sophia. I think that took place around '47. Sophia also appeared in one of the comics. Thunder of The Orient I think. As it stands I like Sophia more than any of the female charcaters from the movie's and I think she's a better match for Indy than Marion.
Yes, I keep forgetting about "Thunder of the Orient" (which is 1938)! Thanks for reminding me.
c.1947 is a much more fitting date for the conception of Old Indy's daughter.

Sophia is pretty cool. I could picture her and Marion getting into a fist-fight.
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Old 10-27-2008, 05:34 PM   #59
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I like the idea of having a girl.. But either way, i think the whole family element of the movie. Mutt was awesome and so would the girl.
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Old 10-27-2008, 05:58 PM   #60
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i liked the idea initially cause i heard Natalie Portman was the daughter. and that sounded great, plus she looked like his daughter. but anybody else (ANGELINA JOLIE?? WTF) might not have worked. someone also like rachael mcadams would work. brunette girl next door ish. but i prefer the son anyway. makes more sense.
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:20 PM   #61
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A daughter would have sucked. Who needs another whiney b!tch around in an adventure movie? Especially one with a 65 old lead as the hero.

A son makes far more sense due to Indy's relationship to his own father and it allows him to bond much quicker since Indy has time with Mutt to find the skull and Ox (not to mention that Marion having an overprotective son adds a little comedy). The daughter route would have had to have been more like a young version of Willie - worried about her clothes and hair and yelling a lot (since teen girls in the 50's were spoiled and not adventurous) because if she was too much like Marion it'd be a dead giveaway who the mother was. It also could have been more like an anoying tag along versus a tag team like Indy & Mutt. Plus, once Indy realized he was the father, he would have been more like "you can't date that boy" and nag nag nag, instead of the "you're going back to school" as with Mutt. Add all this with a female villain and Marion's return and it would have been like a PMS nightmare.

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Old 12-11-2012, 12:33 AM   #62
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A daughter would have been better.






There are a few other related threads:

Does Indy have a daughter?

Indy has a daughter?

Indiana Jones and Marion Ravenwood's Daughter

The Daughter of Indy and Willie?????
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:44 PM   #63
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A daughter would have been better.
I emphatically disagree. To repeat part of my post #25 (from 4 years ago): the last thing this world needs is another Lara Croft/Relic Hunter!

Call me a sexist but I strongly dislike these ideas of a gun-totin', kung fu-kickin' female as Indy's daughter. If that's what you wanted, you might as well have had a muffin-baking Dr. Jones who uses lemon-scented body cream & glitter-paints his toenails!
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:21 PM   #64
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I emphatically disagree. To repeat part of my post #25 (from 4 years ago): the last thing this world needs is another Lara Croft/Relic Hunter!

Call me a sexist but I strongly dislike these ideas of a gun-totin', kung fu-kickin' female as Indy's daughter. If that's what you wanted, you might as well have had a muffin-baking Dr. Jones who uses lemon-scented body cream & glitter-paints his toenails!

A daughter wouldn't have been Mutt, and therefore an alternative to Shia, who was born in 1986.

Here's a list of 1,567 women born in 1986, to choose from!

She needn't kick much ass.

She could be the one on the right (after a fling with a Chinese prostitute during his sojourn in Shanghai),



or she could Marion's, but just rougher than Mutt,

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Old 12-14-2012, 03:28 PM   #65
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I agree with the people who said it would have been more interesting for Indy to have a daughter.

But, if they went with the whole "nickname based on a dog" thing for a daughter, does that mean her name would have been Bitc... oh, probably not. Never mind.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:29 AM   #66
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Old 04-08-2017, 03:26 AM   #67
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A daughter would've made KOTCS much better and more interesting. We've already had the absent father-bitter son angle in so many Spielberg and Lucas films...Having Indy have a rambunctious daughter who gave him a run for his money...Or on the other extreme, a really nerdy bookish daughter who is every bit as stodgy as his father (yet also cute) would've been really cool. The daughter would've also acted as eye candy for the guys of course. Also, it would've kept the balance of Indy/Indy girl without there having to be scenes of an older Indy being romantic. KOTCS felt a bit too much like, to be blunt, a "sausage fest" with Indy and Mutt being the leads. It threw off the dynamic established in the previous three films of Indy playing off a female co-lead.
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Old 04-08-2017, 12:52 PM   #68
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"...absent father-bitter son...in so many Spielberg and Lucas films"
Ok, so there's Vader and Luke, and...Elliot in ET, kind of.... and?

"Sausage fest"? Really??
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"...absent father-bitter son...in so many Spielberg and Lucas films"
Ok, so there's Vader and Luke, and...Elliot in ET, kind of.... and?

"Sausage fest"? Really??

Luke and Vader
Elliot
Indy and Henry
Indy and Short Round (with Indy acting as a surrogate father of sorts)
Jurassic Park (with Grant coming to accept the role of fatherhood and acting as a fatherly figure/protector to the kids)
The Lost World (Malcolm is portrayed as being absent father to his daughter Kelly and they reconnect over the course of the film)

So perhaps not so much as "absent father-bitter son" as the theme of an absent or neglectful father.

And yeah, it lacked the Indy/Chick dynamic of the previous three films and for most of it and even when Marion is re-introduced she's sort of a background character for the rest of the film. It's just two guys for the most part and with Indy, that doesn't make for an interesting dynamic, especially when the second guy is as weak an actor as Shia was. It worked in LC because well, it was Sean Connery, and you still had interplay between Indy and Elsa.
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Surely what you refer to as 'sausage fest' is most prevalent in Last Crusade; Indy, Henry, Marcus and Sallah.
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Old 04-11-2017, 02:14 PM   #71
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KOTCS felt a bit too much like, to be blunt, a "sausage fest" with Indy and Mutt being the leads. It threw off the dynamic established in the previous three films of Indy playing off a female co-lead.

Crystal Skull had both Marion and Spalko, putting it by default ahead of all the other movies where the male/female ratio in the central cast is concerned. Not that it matters.
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Old 04-12-2017, 11:56 AM   #72
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Not that I'm complaining, mind you , but do you really think Indy would want his own daughter dressed like that?

After all, it was okay with Indy if some kid named Mutt Williams became a motorcycle mechanic all of his life instead of attending college, but no way will he allow Henry Jones, III to do the same.


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The daughter could be rebellious to her father. Look at the style of Olivia Newton-John at 0:35.

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