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glorbes said:I hear there's a Skywalker Church in Ireland that uses Lucas's half-baked take on Myth, Eastern Religions and Christian themes as fodder for sermons.
Really? I'd nearly seek it out. For a hoot...
glorbes said:I hear there's a Skywalker Church in Ireland that uses Lucas's half-baked take on Myth, Eastern Religions and Christian themes as fodder for sermons.
I don't dissagree with you at all. I did expect something different back in 1998, but I don't blame Lucas for making the film he wanted to.MaxPhactor23 said:I’m so sick of the redundant “Fans would have never been pleased” apologist answer. It’s completely become a broken record. I’ll throw my two cents out there; now they can buy themselves an original argument. Point is…what’s with the Lucas apologists? That being the ones that feel this incisive need to make excuses for George Lucas’s blatant shortcomings. It’s so obnoxious. It’s makes people appear so completely brainwashed, like they live for the approval of their nerd god.
Whilst it’s true that George had a lot to live up to, arguably the most anticipated film series in history, he could have certainly delivered an over-all better performance then what he put on our plate. I don’t think it was our unreachable expectations so much as it was that magnified by the undeniably garbage we were given. That just heightened our disappointment. Lucas failed for many people, expectations or not. Anyone that tells you different is just making excuses once more. Someone cannot sit here and tell me that we expected something like Jar Jar Binks from the prequels. No one in their right mind was braced for something like that. Of course you can’t please everyone. That’s a not-so-accepted truth, but you can please a majority! Georgie-boy failed miserably at even that goal. You’re deeply rooted in denial if you feel that he couldn’t have done the prequels better and please more fan. The Original Trilogy skewed nothing. This was a ball full of poor writing, wooden acting, and lame story, nostalgia or not.
The fact of the matter is that George Lucas decided he was nothing but a visual director between Last Crusade and Phantom Menace, thusly putting all his emphasis upon nothing more then eye candy. Storyline and character development were now rendered irrelevant so long as the dim-witted audience had pretty pictures to ogle. He became Dr. Frankenstein with his latest development; digital film and CGI. He ran with it to mask either his terribly concept of a story...or pure laziness.
With the induction of Ewoks, cutesy little teddy bears shamelessly introduced for the obvious purpose of selling cutesy little dolls, this was his public acknowledgement of his multi-million dollar marketing monster. He knew he could make a fortune…it was time to take advantage of it. So money conquered script, ergo sacrifices were made to the prequel storyline for more room to include advert campaigns and shameless proportional ties to junk food. This created the long-running chain of expendable prequel-trilogy villains, each just cool enough for every child to own, but lacking serious amounts of effort in the literary department…then prematurely pasted to make way for a latest gimmicky toy-commercial of a baddie. This birthed the blatantly botched Jar Jar Binks. It’s no coincidence that to get to know new characters introduced in the prequels, even fill in some important gaps left open in the actual film plotlines themselves (Sifo-Dias anyone?)…you have to shell out an amount of cash to buy a novel. These are just some of the many ways George makes-up for his lackluster development, profiting off the fan base's desperation to feel fulfilled.
So to sum George Lucas up; He’s a businessman under the false façade of a filmmaker. Legitimate storytelling has flown out the window and I doubt there will ever be a recovery. Money rules the fate of men...or in this case the fate of men in a galaxy far far away. George doesn't care about what we want or satisfying the fan base...he cares about what's in our wallets. The saddest part is that he's got many wrapped around his finger. Even worse, he knows it.
Agent Spalko said:So Harry says Stinky the Hutt and Ziro the Hutt are more retarded than Jar Jar Binks. Jesus H. Christ is there anything that Lucas hasn't completely f***ed up since 1983?!?!?!
Lucas needs to stop making films. Period.
No Ticket said:ROTS got it most right because it gave the people what they WANTED to see. Except it ends with Vader doing like, nothing.
EVERYBODY wanted to see Vader in like half the movie hunting Jedi. Well, everybody that I knew. It was just lame.
For some, yes. But this was not really among the primary complaints leveled against the prequels. I mean, most knew that EPISODE I was going to be about young Anakin as a little boy, and were still exceedingly excited.Gobi-1 said:This is the problem in a nutshell. The story Lucas WANTED to tell isn't what some fans wanted to see. They wanted an entire trilogy of Darth Vader killing Jedi and Lucas didn't. He was more interested in how Anakin becomes Darth Vader not necessarily what Vader does afterwards.
agentsands77 said:For some, yes. But this was not really among the primary complaints leveled against the prequels. I mean, most knew that EPISODE I was going to be about young Anakin as a little boy, and were still exceedingly excited.
The problems with the prequel trilogy, as cited by many, generally very have little to do with the story that Lucas was trying to tell, but rather how it fell apart in execution.
Yeah, it definitely comes off that way. Lucas was trying for something else (the "fall" was definitely meant to begin with the whole Shmi Skywalker thing in EPISODE II), but the execution of it all is just really shoddy. What Lucas had on his hands was indeed a truly mythological, epic storyline, but it just didn't pan out.No Ticket said:Yes I didn't mean that everyone I talked to just wanted Vader killing Jedi. They wanted a truly dark tale, serious. You know, Anakin switches over to the Dark Side like flipping a light switch in EP3, it's almost comical.
That's not a really big deal for me. I was fine with the amount of Vader time we got. Sure, the fan in me would have liked some more Vader, but I can live with it.No Ticket said:What I'm saying is that by Episode III we would have wanted to see Vader in at least HALF the film.
RocketSledFight said:Less Vader is more. The prequels set out to show how Anakin became the Vader we know in the OT, and in that regard I feel that they were successful. I don't feel that he developed as a character very much between that shot of him examining the construction of the first Death Star and his arrival in New Hope.
RocketSledFight said:Vader is still Vader without the mask. A solid hour's worth of film featured Anakin after he had become Vader.