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Old 06-21-2018, 09:02 PM   #151
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Joe, I think you underestimate how powerful Kennedy and Marshal are. If Disney wanted to oust KK (and I have on good authority they donít) KK and FM would create a talente drain and scare work from Disney. Letís wait and see how Jurassic World II does. Isnít that Franks baby?
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I gotta believe your sources are in the Kennedy/Marshal camp.

Look at the current situation. With Kennedy MIA, Rian Johnson is the face of the franchise. Since Solo bombed at the box office, he has been engaging in snarky warfare with fans in the twitter-sphere. No way Disney will tolerate it. I agree with Pale and my prior post that Disney has enough headaches (some gender related) right now, and the last thing they want to do is can Kennedy -- but I say Johnson is pressing the issue from his side and will bring this whole thing to a head.

The whole Kelly Marie Tran situation is fishy. Trolls have been abusing her for months -- but she all the sudden withdraws from social media the second week of Solo's release (the moment when it was confirmed that Solo would be a flop and Kennedy's future -- Johnson's supporter -- is put in doubt?) and Johnson immediately steps up to her defense and starts engaging with fans. It's engineered. The guy is a provocateur, and I'm sure Disney brass sees through it.

Now you got fans that are looking to re-make TLJ. I bet this story doesn't go away. I look at The Raiders Adaptation as precedent here -- but what we'll see this time is a fan made film for the Trump age -- with a bunch of middle age wealthy white guys making something instead of group of teenagers in the '80's with too much time on their hands.

This story and the other twitter battles will fester and Disney will say NO MORE!
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I gotta believe your sources are in the Kennedy/Marshal camp.

Look at the current situation. With Kennedy MIA, Rian Johnson is the face of the franchise. Since Solo bombed at the box office, he has been engaging in snarky warfare with fans in the twitter-sphere. No way Disney will tolerate it. I agree with Pale and my prior post that Disney has enough headaches (some gender related) right now, and the last thing they want to do is can Kennedy -- but I say Johnson is pressing the issue from his side and will bring this whole thing to a head.

The whole Kelly Marie Tran situation is fishy. Trolls have been abusing her for months -- but she all the sudden withdraws from social media the second week of Solo's release (the moment when it was confirmed that Solo would be a flop and Kennedy's future -- Johnson's supporter -- is put in doubt?) and Johnson immediately steps up to her defense and starts engaging with fans. It's engineered. The guy is a provocateur, and I'm sure Disney brass sees through it.

Now you got fans that are looking to re-make TLJ. I bet this story doesn't go away. I look at The Raiders Adaptation as precedent here -- but what we'll see this time is a fan made film for the Trump age -- with a bunch of middle age wealthy white guys making something instead of group of teenagers in the '80's with too much time on their hands.

This story and the other twitter battles will fester and Disney will say NO MORE!

As long as she's out that's all that matters.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:58 PM   #154
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Joe, I think you underestimate how powerful Kennedy and Marshal are. If Disney wanted to oust KK (and I have on good authority they donít) KK and FM would create a talente drain and scare work from Disney. Letís wait and see how Jurassic World II does. Isnít that Franks baby?

Initial Rumors aren't good for JWII, but I'm no forecaster. Any chance we see a power play similar to Spielberg, Katzenberg and Geffen, and the creation of a new studio? KK/FM and a third would certainly be something. Probably a pipe dream at this point with all that's happening on the new production, Fox and the Mouse.
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Old 06-24-2018, 10:03 AM   #155
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As long as she's out that's all that matters.

Unless they replace her with someone just as bad. I'm all for seeing Kennedy go but I'm dubious that they'll get someone better. Lucasfilm and Disney employees continue to insult fans and berate them on social media for daring to question where the franchise is headed. They don't care about the sizable portion of fans who didn't like The Last Jedi and they're writing off any arguments as nothing more than trolling. If that's how they feel about the fan base then it's unlikely they'll remove Kennedy or put someone else in who actually cares about the fans.
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Old 06-24-2018, 10:22 AM   #156
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... They don't care about the sizable portion of fans who didn't like The Last Jedi and they're writing off any arguments as nothing more than trolling. If that's how they feel about the fan base then it's unlikely they'll remove Kennedy or put someone else in who actually cares about the fans.

Considering the film made over 400 million dollars profit, and was the most profitable film of 2017, I doubt Disney has any plans to change their business model just yet.
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Old 06-24-2018, 02:13 PM   #157
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Considering the film made over 400 million dollars profit, and was the most profitable film of 2017, I doubt Disney has any plans to change their business model just yet.

I think it will take Episode IX taking a major hit before they consider it.
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Old 06-27-2018, 11:10 PM   #159
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Awful lot of angst here. I thought it was great early Summer fun... even better the second and third times. I loved seeing the early Falcon, thought Lando was spot on, Han was maybe a little short, especially compared to the Queen of Dragons, but did a nice job with the character. Good story... I guess if you treat it like religion, youíve got other problems to cope with. But as a movie, total success for me, regardless of whatever stupid ďboycottsĒ, or Director/Producer drama people focus on.

Canít wait for IX, and whatever theyíre willing to put together beyond that going forward.
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I would like to see a movie about the adventures of a younger Count Dooku as a young Master and Qui Gon as a young knight.
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Old 09-28-2018, 03:09 PM   #161
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... No way Disney will tolerate it.

... I agree with Pale
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... and my prior post that Disney has enough headaches (some gender related) right now, and the last thing they want to do is can Kennedy -- ...

... it was confirmed that Solo would be a flop and Kennedy's future -- ...

This story and the other twitter battles will fester and Disney will say NO MORE!


Is Bob Iger trying to calm the waters, or part the political seas

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The move is a vote of confidence in Kennedy, who took command of Lucasfilm after Disney’s $4 billion acquisition from George Lucas in 2012 and has overseen the relaunch of Star Wars, one of the most revered movie properties in cinematic history. Disney's four new Star Wars films have grossed almost $4.5 billion at the worldwide box office. Ancillary and merchandising have brought billions more into the studio's coffers." (more)
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Old 09-28-2018, 04:08 PM   #162
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Funny thing about Solo - I was actually able to watch it a second time. Not since Jedi have I been able to re-watch any of the new(er) Star Wars movie. To me this movie had the most "fun factor" of any since the original three. Sure some of it was forced but not as much as the others. I am glad that Kennedy is sticking around.
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Old 09-28-2018, 09:28 PM   #163
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Funny thing about Solo - I was actually able to watch it a second time. Not since Jedi have I been able to re-watch any of the new(er) Star Wars movie. To me this movie had the most "fun factor" of any since the original three. Sure some of it was forced but not as much as the others. I am glad that Kennedy is sticking around.

And who gave the interview on the slow down in Star Wars movie production? How many interviews has she's given?

As for Solo, I watched Honest Trailer for it and agreed with it totally. Plus, when you have speeder technology why would anyone build a train?
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And who gave the interview on the slow down in Star Wars movie production? How many interviews has she's given?

As for Solo, I watched Honest Trailer for it and agreed with it totally. Plus, when you have speeder technology why would anyone build a train?

Why didnít they just take the big eagles to drop the ring in the fires.....
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Why didn’t they just take the big eagles to drop the ring in the fires.....


Because the Eye and the Nazgûl are the greatest air defense system known to Middle Earth?

Honestly, you've been at this for years. At some point Tolkien is going to climb out of his grave in Oxford, track you down and pistol whip with his left femur.
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Because the Eye and the NazgŻl are the greatest air defense system known to Middle Earth?

Honestly, you've been at this for years. At some point Tolkien is going to climb out of his grave in Oxford, track you down and pistol whip with his left femur.


HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Because the Eye and the NazgŻl are the greatest air defense system known to Middle Earth?


My point a sci-fi, or fantasy, hell any mo vie should be ENJOYABLE and FUN and not believable.... And who wants to watch a movie about a bunch of midgets walking for 15 hours
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Plus, when you have speeder technology why would anyone build a train?

Same reason we still have trains now, long after people said the same thing about cars.
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Same reason we still have trains now, long after people said the same thing about cars.

The best science fiction draws off of science and brings a new, novel dimension to the story -- like the flying wing in Raiders, which was so cool because the wing was retro and set back in the thirties. I'm sure a lot folks from the aeronautics industry watched that scene and thought 'cool.' Not historically accurate, but cool. I love the Wing scene and consider it one of the best examples where the writers blur reality to add to the viewing pleasure.

The Solo train heist scene, however, is just stupid (on multiple levels). Compare the Star Destroyer hovering over a city in Rogue One. Given that type of pervasive tech, there's no need to build a train in the Star Wars universe, ever. For years I worked for a company that actually makes the equipment that makes railroads -- and as I watched that scene in Solo, I thought, how stupid. There's no need for a train (with all that costly infrastructure) when you can pick stuff up from anywhere with a ship.

And don't give me the 'it's just a movie bull.' Go back and look at the original Star Wars sketchbook for New Hope and it's clear that the designers were intent on delivering a coherent design narrative for ships and tech in the film. In other words, back in the '70's, they weren't lazy. Notably, Rogue One, has masterful design and concept work, and I submit, that superior work helped the film overcome a troubled production.

Solo on the other hand is riddled with lazy *ss writing, filming and design work -- which (in my best Sick Boy accent) is reflected in its weak showing at the box office. We had just seen train scenes in other action films and this one was just (to use a Round Short term) another CGI sh*t show.

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The best science fiction draws off of science and brings a new, novel dimension to the story -- like the flying wing in Raiders, which was so cool because the wing was retro and set back in the thirties. I'm sure a lot folks from the aeronautics industry watched that scene and thought 'cool.' Not historically accurate, but cool. I love the Wing scene and consider it one of the best examples where the writers blur reality to add to the viewing pleasure.

The Solo train heist scene, however, is just stupid (on multiple levels). Compare the Star Destroyer hovering over a city in Rogue One. Given that type of pervasive tech, there's no need to build a train in the Star Wars universe, ever. For years I worked for a company that actually makes the equipment that makes railroads -- and as I watched that scene in Solo, I thought, how stupid. There's no need for a train (with all that costly infrastructure) when you can pick stuff up from anywhere with a ship.

And don't give me the 'it's just a movie bull.' Go back and look at the original Star Wars sketchbook for New Hope and it's clear that the designers were intent on delivering a coherent design narrative for ships and tech in the film. In other words, back in the '70's, they weren't lazy. Notably, Rogue One, has masterful design and concept work, and I submit, that superior work helped the film overcome a troubled production.

Solo on the other hand is riddled with lazy *ss writing, filming and design work -- which (in my best Sick Boy accent) is reflected in its weak showing at the box office. We had just seen train scenes in other action films and this one was just (to use a Round Short term) another CGI sh*t show.


None of this changes the fact that Solo is more fun to watch than all the new stars movies put together after Empire. Yes I include Jedi, which after Solo (see how I did that) is freed, the move takes a turn for the worst.

oh, and it is just a movie.
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The best science fiction draws off of science and brings a new, novel dimension to the story -- like the flying wing in Raiders, which was so cool because the wing was retro and set back in the thirties. I'm sure a lot folks from the aeronautics industry watched that scene and thought 'cool.' Not historically accurate, but cool. I love the Wing scene and consider it one of the best examples where the writers blur reality to add to the viewing pleasure.

The Solo train heist scene, however, is just stupid (on multiple levels). Compare the Star Destroyer hovering over a city in Rogue One. Given that type of pervasive tech, there's no need to build a train in the Star Wars universe, ever. For years I worked for a company that actually makes the equipment that makes railroads -- and as I watched that scene in Solo, I thought, how stupid. There's no need for a train (with all that costly infrastructure) when you can pick stuff up from anywhere with a ship.

And don't give me the 'it's just a movie bull.' Go back and look at the original Star Wars sketchbook for New Hope and it's clear that the designers were intent on delivering a coherent design narrative for ships and tech in the film. In other words, back in the '70's, they weren't lazy. Notably, Rogue One, has masterful design and concept work, and I submit, that superior work helped the film overcome a troubled production.

Solo on the other hand is riddled with lazy *ss writing, filming and design work -- which (in my best Sick Boy accent) is reflected in its weak showing at the box office. We had just seen train scenes in other action films and this one was just (to use a Round Short term) another CGI sh*t show.

Star Wars was inspired by Flash Gordon and the space battles were based on Dog fights from old war movies It sounds like you don't like the movie and nit picking for the sake. I'd probably rank it slightly below Rogue One, but it was an enjoyable movie and got mostly good reviews. Sadly the promotion (and lack of) didn't make it look like essential viewing and releasing so soon after TLJ didn't help. These reasons have been officially sighted as why the movie underperformed. Not because of a train sequence (which was actually very exciting), but your working in the train industry has influenced your view there which is fair enough.

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I agree that it's lazy writing. Hell, the Kessel Run scene was pedantic at best. Even Kasdan didn't want to do it.

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And it seems to be almost the whole point of the movie. Sure it's a "steal-enough-money-from-someone-to-buy-my-girl-out-of-slavery" movie. (Yes, yes it is. Qi'Ra is chattal. How they got that to fly in the #teemo era is beyond me) But in the end, it's a how can we create a character story arc around this small bit of fan controversy. Square that up with the Han of Force Awakens and you'll convince me otherwise, but I doubt it'll happen.

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oh, and it is just a movie.


No. It's a religion, a way of life, another art form to divide the nation, it's a calling and a mission statement. It's everything I hope to be, and everything we're not. The academy can have the world, but this movie will be drinking to it's health when Hollyweird has gone the way of the dodo.
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No. It's a religion, a way of life, another art form to divide the nation, it's a calling and a mission statement. It's everything I hope to be, and everything we're not. The academy can have the world, but this movie will be drinking to it's health when Hollyweird has gone the way of the dodo.

Pale, I love ya but you need to get.... never mind
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My wife and I finally got around to watching it yesterday. Maybe it was because we had massively low expectations but we both ended up liking it. The SJW droid, while incredibly stupid, was thankfully just a small part of the film, and it had a few memorable moments. I still think it should have been focused on a new character instead of Han, but overall I didn't feel like I wasted my time, something I can't say about The Last Jedi.
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