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Old 06-15-2008, 05:58 PM   #26
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Ah, I didn't know the U.S. had one too. I think at the time however they were more keen on developing a "Flying Saucer" which, suposedly, fell on its face and was given up.
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:20 AM   #27
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What we need to remember is, yes Nazis were evil and, yes, the Russians have their own agenda, but the U.S. is just another super power. What makes America different from Nazi Germany or comunist/post comune Russia, or Korea? For decades and especially in the past two conspiracy stories of sinister U.S. government files and experiments have surfaced.

We need to look around at whats happening in our own time. The people of Germany in the '20s and '30s didn't and look what happend to them.

I'm 36 years old, and I spent decades educating myself so that I know more about the conditions of Germany in the 1920s and 1930s than most people, save those who were awarded a doctorate. And I do look around at what's happening in my own time. If you want to compare conditions in the United States today with those of Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia, as if such a comparison could even be made, you might as well do so somewhere else, if only for the simple reason that it has no relevance to this thread. If you want to continue to discuss Hitler's activities as they relate to the fact or fiction in the Indiana Jones films, however, we're more than happy to have you here.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:32 AM   #28
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And I do look around at what's happening in my own time.

You damn well should.

I was using an example, Mr. Doctorate, of what happens when you become swept up in propaganda and let go of thinking for yourself. In fact, I was trying to shed thought on whats happing here, in America. Actually not just America, the world.
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:18 AM   #29
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Wow............ That is amazing thanks for sharing RA I never would of guessed this.
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:09 PM   #30
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I was using an example, Mr. Doctorate, of what happens when you become swept up in propaganda and let go of thinking for yourself. In fact, I was trying to shed thought on whats happing here, in America. Actually not just America, the world.

That's all fine and well, Gear Guardian (permission to use capital Gs, please). But the question is: what does that have to do with the subject of this thread? This thread is about Hitler's Armageddon Machine is specifics, and about Hitler's activities in relation to the Indiana Jones films in general. It's not about "what's going on here, in America, in the present," which is really just your way of saying you want to discuss your personal political stance.

The number of places online where you can discuss such issues are legion, and not once will I deny you your right to express your attitudes, but to do so here, where it's not even the topic, is just rude to me and others! I am politically active, always have been, and have always welcomed political discussion, but there has to be places where one can escape the ever-pervasive political atmosphere! I don't come here to discuss that; I come here to talk about an archeologist-adventurer and his happy hijinks! We both have the right to express ourselves, but if someone forces their expression on you, and you don't wish to see it, especially here, where you would presumably want to speak and read about something else, would you be happy with me? Or would you find me rude?

And in advance of anyone saying it, will everyone kindly refrain from saying "If you don't like it, go somewhere else." I already did! This is somewhere else! This is for Indiana Jones, an action-adventure hero! If I want to talk politics, to shed thought on a specific current-events issue, there are any number of places for that, and that applies - or ought to apply - to everyone here. We're all intelligent people here - I haven't seen any exceptions yet - and chances are, we've already pondered this question, already spent the thought you asked us to shed. I know I have, and I'm quite satisfied with my long-pondered and reasoned answer. And at this point, whoever you ask will likely feel the same way about theirs.

So I will again ask you, with all the respect I can muster, to please consider the feelings of myself and others, to consider the purpose of this thread and of this website, and to please put your admirably sharp and inquisitive mind to the task at hand. Let's discuss Hitler's activities as they relate to the Indiana Jones adventures. And if nothing more can be discussed regarding this topic, then why not just move on?
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:10 PM   #31
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Hey, gear. I think I remember reading somewhere that it was based on the American (Northrop) design.
(There is footage of the thing in flight.) The German prototypes first used propellors and later, jet engines.


One of these things still exists...

Horten 229
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:03 AM   #32
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Erik, I apologize. I didn't intend to come off so rudely. I took your original post the wrong way, really, I didn't mean to shove anything down your throat. You're right; there is a time and a place for everything.

I owe you an apology. I just got too fired up.

I hope there is still more relevant discussion for this thread.

Anyway,
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:29 AM   #33
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i watched this show 2 days ago

and i thought it was horrible

it was all specuation. he always said couldve and wouldve

the doomsday device part had no factual references that it was there at all!!
it could have been anywhere or nowhere at all they just added it in to gain more interest in the show.

AWFUL

in fact there is nothing very good on the history channel
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:13 PM   #34
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Well yeah, in the show they never revealed any facts about the machine they just said it was legend that it had been there and there was a conspiracy by Hitler to cover it up by detonating the mines.
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Old 06-23-2008, 01:55 AM   #35
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Well yeah, in the show they never revealed any facts about the machine they just said it was legend that it had been there and there was a conspiracy by Hitler to cover it up by detonating the mines.

so u agree u didnt like the show???
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Old 06-23-2008, 02:01 AM   #36
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For those who didn't they were in Prauge investigating secret relics from the Nazi ocupation. Their last stop was a deep quary 20 miles from Prauge called "Amerika" were, legend or truth has it, Hilter had a crue of scientists build a device which, if the Nazis lost the war, would destroy the Earth in a dramatic climax.
Was there any visual evidence to support the claim? I'll be back in Prague this summer and if the site is worth checking out, I'd be tempted to do it.

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One of these things still exists...
Hey, DazDaMan, thanks the info. Here's the related paragraph (Be warned - it's Wiki):

Northrop's small single-seater prototype (N9M-B) and a Horten flying wing glider (Ho IV) are located in the Planes of Fame museum in Southern California. The only surviving Ho 229 airframe, the V3, is located at the National Air and Space Museum's Paul E. Garber Facility in Suitland, Maryland. Several partial airframes found on the assembly line were destroyed by American troops to prevent capture by the advancing Soviet forces. The Ho 229 was captured by U.S. VIII Corps of General Patton's Third Army.[citation needed]
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Old 06-23-2008, 05:42 AM   #37
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"so u agree u didnt like the show???"

No, I thought it was fascinating.

"Was there any visual evidence to support the claim? I'll be back in Prague this summer and if the site is worth checking out, I'd be tempted to do it."


Well, it was fairly suspicious that the tunells had been blocked and caved in were they did. It looked orchistrated.

Thats awsome that you've been there, Prague that is. I'd love to see pics.
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