KOTCS had the most brutal fist fight

Agent Spalko

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And what is this so-called realism you speak of? If it's just an exaggeration (like the rest of the movie) then there is absolutely no realism to the comic-book Dovchenko fight whatsoever. Bottom line, it's a typical movie fistfight with all the cliches. Totally uninspired. If it had been inspired by Bourne/Casino Royale I would have expected it to be much more brutal than any fight in the other Indy films. It comes off bland and boring.
 
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The Indy vs. Pat Roach fights are some of the greatest moments in film history! The fight in "Indy 4" was lame. Very-very lame...
 
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Im surprised at the people saying that the Temple of Doom fight had too much going on. And Willie wasn't coaching Indy she was imitating his punches. Unlike Marion in KOTCS who WAS coaching Mutt during the swordfight scene. Howcome you don't complain about that?
I don't think you can get much more distracting than having a bunch of obviously fake CGI ants running around the fight scene. Steven Spielberg may as well have walked past in his bath robe on his way to his trailer it broke the immersion that much.
 
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Holy Christ, he looks absolutely ghoulish in that shot!
 
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Agent Spalko said:
And what is this so-called realism you speak of? If it's just an exaggeration (like the rest of the movie) then there is absolutely no realism to the comic-book Dovchenko fight whatsoever. Bottom line, it's a typical movie fistfight with all the cliches. Totally uninspired. If it had been inspired by Bourne/Casino Royale I would have expected it to be much more brutal than any fight in the other Indy films. It comes off bland and boring.
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I see you're redirecting the argument because you were proved wrong regarding Jijkine's height!

As for the "realism" Katarn already summed it up, there's no humor at all in the end fight between Indy and Dovchenko. It doesn't have the comedic side to it that the fights with Pat Roach in both Raiders and TOD had, or with Vogel in LC. Indy is clearly near 60 in the film, getting the crap beat out of him by a guy who's taller, stronger, and 30 years younger then him. There's nothing funny about that, it's just brutal! Also the sound fx by Ben Burtt are nasty, as each punch is deliverd there's a sickening sound of bone and cartilage being mashed!
 
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deckard24 said:
I see you're redirecting the argument because you were proved wrong regarding Jijkine's height!

As for the "realism" Katarn already summed it up, there's no humor at all in the end fight between Indy and Dovchenko. It doesn't have the comedic side to it that the fights with Pat Roach in both Raiders and TOD had, or with Vogel in LC. Indy is clearly near 60 in the film, getting the crap beat out of him by a guy who's taller, stronger, and 30 years younger then him. There's nothing funny about that, it's just brutal! Also the sound fx by Ben Burtt are nasty, as each punch is deliverd there's a sickening sound of bone and cartilage being mashed!
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Proved wrong? The pictures don't lie! I know he's not 7 feet tall but from those shots he looks between 6'6"-6'8". He's towering over Ford. Anyway, who cares how tall he is? The fight is still lame. It's got nothing on the Pat Roach fight from Raiders or the truck fight with the Nazi soldier. Those were brutal. This fight is tired and by-the-numbers.
 
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Hey Spalko, you don't have to like the fight, but don't go making up stuff about it just to disagree it was brutal. He isn't a full foot taller and he's not buff at all like Roach was. Indy does fight dirty and Dovchenko I think at one point removes Indy's hat, grabs him by the hair, and delivers an unblockable punch to Indy's face. That's not having the crap beat out of you?

I didn't think it fit with the Roach/Vogel fights for the reason it was so brutal. It felt like something inspired more by Bourne/Casino Royale's fist fight bouts, not the original three films. There really was no humor to it at all. Nothing wrong with that. It's unique and fresh for these films rather than being redundant. At least we got a fist fight between Indy and a Roach inspired baddie.
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I can't believe that KOTCS was ever compared to Casino Royale(2008). They have about as much in common as Looney Tunes and Saving Private Ryan.
 
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Agent Spalko said:
If it's just an exaggeration (like the rest of the movie) then there is absolutely no realism to the comic-book Dovchenko fight whatsoever.
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Again with the "realism". It's a freaking Indiana Jones movie.:rolleyes:
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This fight is tired and by-the-numbers.
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Kind of like you and your predictable posts.:sleep:

Are you a masochist or something? You said you wouldn't be watching "Skull" ever again
but you sure didn't waste any time obtaining a bootleg of it.:confused:
 
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Stoo said:
Again with the "realism". It's a freaking Indiana Jones movie.:rolleyes:
Kind of like you and your predictable posts.:sleep:

Are you a masochist or something? You said you wouldn't be watching "Skull" ever again
but you sure didn't waste any time obtaining a bootleg of it.:confused:
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I'm not the one bantering on about realism here. Katarn said it, not me. Come on. There's nothing real about KOTCS at all. If Indy can survive getting nuked in a fridge then how can anyone take this film seriously? Realism? Bah!
 
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Did anyone notice that the blue hue of the sky in KOTCS is no where near as good as the blue hue of the sky in the other 3 movies? You would think that someone would have checked before filming began. Also, I'm pretty sure Indy isn't wearing the same laced boots he wore in LC, which considering Spielberg said this one is for the fans, is just like giving us the finger in glorious technicolour. I think I'll blame Lucas for that one... ;)

These guys will use anything to argue a point... :rolleyes:
 
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Darth Vile said:
Did anyone notice that the blue hue of the sky in KOTCS is no where near as good as the blue hue of the sky in the other 3 movies? You would think that someone would have checked before filming began. Also, I'm pretty sure Indy isn't wearing the same laced boots he wore in LC, which considering Spielberg said this one is for the fans, is just like giving us the finger in glorious technicolour. I think I'll blame Lucas for that one... ;)

These guys will use anything to argue a point... :rolleyes:
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No need. The bad script, dialogue, pacing and rubbish overused CGI of the film are enough to damn it.
 
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Darth Vile said:
You prove the point better than I can with any sarcasm... ;)
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What you think that script, pacing, dialogue and visuals are small gripes? They are the film and even those who loved it can't argue that any of them were any good. Just because it has "Indiana Jones" in the title doesn't make it magically good despite everything.
 
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You people are blinded, either by your hate of KotCS or by your nostalgia for the original movies.

Seriously...how was the german mechanic fight realistic at all? I mean, don't get me wrong--it was mostly a good fight. But then it has one of the most ridiculous conclusions I've ever seen. Do you really think it's conceivable that a fricking plane engine/propeller could be inches behind you and you wouldn't notice? I don't know if you've ever been around a plane before, but they are loud. Did they establish that the german mechanic is deaf in both ears before the fight, and maybe I missed it?

The fight was fun, but absurd. Same with the voodoo doll fight. If you were watching these fights for the first time today, you would be tearing them apart just as you are doing with KotCS.

In my opinion, the Dovchenko(or whatever his name is) fight was the only saving grace of the jungle action sequence. Yeah, the CGI ants were a little ridiculous, but it provided for a cool and original environment for a fight, and the fist fight itself was great.
 
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CasualJeff said:
In my opinion, the Dovchenko(or whatever his name is) fight was the only saving grace of the jungle action sequence. Yeah, the CGI ants were a little ridiculous, but it provided for a cool and original environment for a fight, and the fist fight itself was great.
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Yes it was a great fight, but I thought the ants were quite cool too.
 
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What you think that script, pacing, dialogue and visuals are small gripes? They are the film and even those who loved it can't argue that any of them were any good. Just because it has "Indiana Jones" in the title doesn't make it magically good despite everything.
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You proved the point by arbitrarily stating opinion as fact without any sense of measure or context. I can argue that they were good 24/7 (or certainly as good as as at least one other Indiana Jones movie), but you clearly want to ignore that... but in doing so, you come across as a bit of a git.
 
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Darth Vile said:
You proved the point by arbitrarily stating opinion as fact without any sense of measure or context. I can argue that they were good 24/7 (or certainly as good as as at least one other Indiana Jones movie), but you clearly want to ignore that... but in doing so, you come across as a bit of a git.
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So are you saying that the dialogue, CGI and script were good? I just didn't think that anyone would see elements that were flat out bad by any measure as being good.

"Where have they gone, space?"

"No, they've gone to the space between spaces"

Yes, if anyone thinks that this film is an example of good writing (for one thing) Im going to say they are wrong because it simply isn't.
 
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I loved the fight. It was pretty brutal, I mean Dovencheko picked Indy up by the ear! It's pretty brutal the way he just grabs and rips Indys hat off his head and then tosses it away. And I really don't understand those who do complain about the lack of realism in it, as other said, it's A FREAKING INDIANA JONES MOVIE!!! Of course it's not realistic!! That's the fun part of it! I really wish people would shut up and stop whining like little children over the CGI and whatever else, the movie was made the way the directers wanted it so your complaining won't change it, and I really don' mind the CGI, as long as I can see what the directers want me see and know then I'm happy, just sit back and chill and watch indy go on his possible last adventure. Come on, for some of you, you've waited years and years, and just becasue KOTCS has alittle more CGI then you would like, or a corny moment here or there you're gonna tear it to shreds?! It was a fun movie. Just watch it and have fun. :hat:
 
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The_Raiders said:
I loved the fight. It was pretty brutal, I mean Dovencheko picked Indy up by the ear! It's pretty brutal the way he just grabs and rips Indys hat off his head and then tosses it away. And I really don't understand those who do complain about the lack of realism in it, as other said, it's A FREAKING INDIANA JONES MOVIE!!! Of course it's not realistic!! That's the fun part of it! I really wish people would shut up and stop whining like little children over the CGI and whatever else, the movie was made the way the directers wanted it so your complaining won't change it, and I really don' mind the CGI, as long as I can see what the directers want me see and know then I'm happy, just sit back and chill and watch indy go on his possible last adventure. Come on, for some of you, you've waited years and years, and just becasue KOTCS has alittle more CGI then you would like, or a corny moment here or there you're gonna tear it to shreds?! It was a fun movie. Just watch it and have fun. :hat:
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Gah. "Ignore the bad CGI, script, dialogue, pacing, premise and everything else and just enjoy it because it's Indiana Jones."

Sorry, Im not in a cult. Im glad you're able to overlook all flaws and love it anyway but Im not like that.
 
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Gah. "Ignore the bad CGI, script, dialogue, pacing, premise and everything else and just enjoy it because it's Indiana Jones."

Sorry, Im not in a cult. Im glad you're able to overlook all flaws and love it anyway but Im not like that.
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It acually was easy for me to overlook, like I said I just had a blast watching Indy on one more adventure on the bigscreen. What I meant was some people should lighten up, not liking it is one thing, but I think just tearing it apart hatefully is something else, because those who do just tear it to shreds impact the opinions for those who havn't seen it, then they go expecting it to be terrible. And really alot of complaining and shredding won't make Lucas and Speailburg remake it to our liking, like others there was some parts that I really didn't like. But hey it's your opinion, and that's what you think so I respect that :hat:
 
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