Deckard said:
I think I have to agree, while the deleted scene exists, or was filmed, it didn't make final cut so technically its not a definative answer.
In this case, there are remaining bits of the cut scene so it's a little different from the other examples you've provided.
Deckard said:
I think you could very realisticly argue the sub never went under, although what I believe to be the "dive alarm" going off would contradict that better then anything including the periscope
There you have it. They don't sound the diving alarm for fun and since it's coupled with the shot
of the ballast wheels being spun, how can anyone say they "
never went under"? It's ridiculous.
Please see below...
Agent Spalko said:
Stoo, you are the one who keeps bringing this up, not I.
You are arguing from a literal perspective, I from an editorial one.
I meant bringing up the reason why
you believe the periscope scene was cut (which has no bearing on whether the sub dives or not).
What I'm doing is taking the information availabe in the film and, logically, filling in the blanks. You, however, are creating a naive idea,
to suit yourself, through ignorance. If we're talkin' Indy minutiae, then you should refer to what's in the movie instead of your mind.
We play with what we have...
Agent Spalko said:
I always interpreted the "dive alarm" to be a "all hands to battlestations" alarm or something as the crew was preparing to depart from the Bantu Wind with the Ark and proceed to the island base.
Uh...now you want to change the meaning of the diving klaxon??? This is nuts.
How did you "interpret" the turning of the ballast wheels? Exercise? Making sausages?
You're obviously an intelligent person so, please consider this:
-This is a CLANDESTINE mission in a governmental tug-of-war with extemely, high stakes.
-The sub sneaks up and SURFACES right beside the Bantu Wind, catching it by surprise (as evidenced in the film).
-The U-boat is HEADING TO A SECRET BASE! The captain would submerge for sometime to AVOID BEING FOLLOWED.
(This is not a leisure trawl down the river Spree. If they had went on their merry way without diving it would be very easy
for Katanga to plot their bearing. That's the beauty of the submarine and to not use its advantage would be stupidity.)
-The DIVING ALARM sounds = they are DIVING
-The BALLAST WHEELS ARE BEING TURNED = the SUB IS TAKING ON WATER = they are DIVING!
-What Indy
does up on the conning tower is the mystery (but I have a good theory on that!
)
-When the Wurrfler is OUT OF RANGE, IT SURFACES so Indy is NOT PERSICOPING IT FOR THE ENTIRE TRIP!
If Spielberg & Co. wanted to eliminate any notion that the U-boat went under water, then the alarm sound effect and
wheel shot would have been cut, too. It lasts only a few seconds and I don't think Spielberg & Mike Kahn are that oblivious.
We don't need to
see the sub go under to know that it does. Just as we don't need to see Indy in bed to know he sleeps at night.
The whole "not in hostile waters" angle is not a very well thought out one. Occam's/Ockham's Razor just doesn't fly in this case.
Agent Spalko said:
Perhaps you should start a poll for a show of hands which you think is the more likely outcome since this is obviously bothering you.
Considering some people here thought Indy was immortal after drinking from the Grail, I'm not sure a poll on the issue would matter.
Plus, I'm not so much bothered as I am befuddled. It's puzzling as to why you (or anyone) would continue to misinterpret a scene
after having the tell-tale clues revealed!
You don't want to acknowledge it because the idea is unbelievable. This is an Indiana Jones movie!