Who is the Hottest Beatle?

NileQT87

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elvis had 2.5 octave range that has elements of both a baritone and tenor voice, he was entirely self-taught in music--never had a proper music lesson in his life, was a pioneer in bringing genres together (country, blues, gospel, bluegrass, jazz, opera... there was very little he didn't try). he was a master producer and interpreter of music.

frank sinatra, jerry lee lewis, the righteous brothers, jackie wilson, the supremes, etc... never wrote a song in their lives. at least elvis came up with the title for one (that's someone you'll never forget) and the idea for the lyrics of another (if i can dream). and he changed drastically enough arrangements and lyrics that you've got to give him some credit there. but his era wasn't about singer/songwriters. that wasn't the point at the time for music. a lot of people from his era sang old standards from the 1800s. in many cases, he brought new life to songs that were pretty much forgotten and dead (are you lonesome tonight? is from the '30s). and that's all right mama? never was a hit. never was looked at twice until elvis recorded it with a country/blues/gospel mix that didn't sound at all like the original blues record by big arthur crudup. in fact, elvis' recordings made many of these writers more money than their own recordings did.

songwriters like jerry lieber and mike stoller (two white jewish guys from new york were responsible for songs like hound dog, jailhouse rock, treat me nice, love me, etc... there's an often bandied about accusation that elvis stole from big mama thornton... who claimed falsely to have written the leiber and stoller song, hound dog.). in fact, love me was sent to elvis as a joke by lieber and stoller who didn't quite understand elvis when he started doing their songs. "treat me like a fool, treat me mean and cruel, but love me, break my faithful heart, tear it all apart, but love me..." it was making fun of country songs, but elvis sang it so heartfelt and seriously that it became a serious record. same with trouble--also a song that lieber and stoller didn't think was right for elvis. "are you looking for trouble, you've come to the right place, are you looking for trouble, just take a look right here in my face..." again, he took the song seriously and put a bucketload of sulty danger in it. both those songs could have been destroyed permanently if they were first recorded by a lesser voice or somebody who didn't take them seriously.

what the singer/songwriter movement did was make the songwriters like lieber and stoller irrelevant--guys who had no desire to ever put their voice to music. most of bob dylan's success was NOT in singing his own music, but in other people recording his music. writers became an endangered species and writers who were subpar singers started trashing their own writings and better singers were looked down upon for not choosing to jump on the writing bandwagon--and the ones that did wrote a lot of subpar material. do you think luciano pavarotti ever wrote a song? heck no.

elvis came from the gospel quartet singing style. those people are not frequently songwriters and have no desire to be. elvis was as comfortable singing standards like danny boy and frankie and johnny as he was singing more modern songs. crooners often sang different translations of foreign songs... so you have singers like dean martin and elvis presley both singing versions of the italian opera song, torna a sorrento (elvis' being surrender). you have elvis' most succesful record was another italian opera song--o' solo mio a.k.a. it's now or never.

do you think willie nelson was the writer or even the original singer of "always on my mind"??? nah. don't think so. it was written in 1972... FOR ELVIS. he didn't cover it until 1982. actually, brenda lee and elvis presley recorded it on the same day that it was given to them. it was written specifically with elvis' broken marriage in mind. many of his recordings in the later part of his career are very PERSONAL to him. several songs were written by one of his memphis mafia guys, red west (separate ways, that's someone you'll never forget, if you think i don't need you, you'll be gone, if you talk in your sleep, holly leaves and christmas trees, etc...). in fact, if you talk in your sleep specifically came from elvis telling stories about his sleepwalking and waking up in his underwear outside in front of lauderdale courts and seen by the girl he had a crush on when he was younger.

point is... his songs were often chosen while something specific was happening in his life. separate ways and always on my mind are his divorce songs... unchained melody became a shout that he was going home to god. it's easy for you and pieces of my life are other very autobiographical songs.

he was a very emotional singer... when i say he was an interpreter of music... i mean that he interpreted the emotions of a song. it isn't just about the sheet music of a song. it's interpreting it to portray specific emotional qualities. he had an honest emotional voice--which is why he is considered such an amazing singer and interpreter.

at least admit that ELVIS WAS A BETTER LIVE PERFORMER than the beatles! lol.
 
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AngieAki

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nezobiwan said:
Yeah I don't understand it either. I like them both. Though I must admit the Beatles do have a one-up on the King for writing all of their own material. And all the Beatles survived their drug addictions... but we won't get into that.
I am not really one for Elvis to be honest, just isn't my taste.

Why did you guys hijack this thread? Couldn't you have just started a new one? This is supposed to be about which Beatle was/is most attractive, not The Beatles vs. Elvis.

Guys calm down, it is just music!!!
 

NileQT87

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i'll give george harrison points for going to one of elvis' record-setting madison square garden performances (along with many other hippie artists) in 1972... when he saw elvis backstage he was shocked by the difference between him (who looked like a filthy bum) and elvis who looked magnificent. he actually changed his mind and started criticizing the hippie movement. he became disillusioned with it.

which brings most of my criticism of the beatles to mainly john lennon. ironically, he appears to be the darling of most beatles fans.

while i dislike their music and [lack of] singing abilities (though, they weren't nearly as bad as bob dylan and others), i, at least, don't hate or mind george, paul or ringo. john and yoko were crap, though (imo).
 
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NileQT87 said:
elvis had 2.5 octave range that has elements of both a baritone and tenor voice, he was entirely self-taught in music--never had a proper music lesson in his life, was a pioneer in bringing genres together (country, blues, gospel, bluegrass, jazz, opera... there was very little he didn't try). he was a master producer and interpreter of music.

frank sinatra, jerry lee lewis, the righteous brothers, jackie wilson, the supremes, etc... never wrote a song in their lives. at least elvis came up with the title for one (that's someone you'll never forget) and the idea for the lyrics of another (if i can dream). and he changed drastically enough arrangements and lyrics that you've got to give him some credit there. but his era wasn't about singer/songwriters. that wasn't the point at the time for music. a lot of people from his era sang old standards from the 1800s. in many cases, he brought new life to songs that were pretty much forgotten and dead (are you lonesome tonight? is from the '30s). and that's all right mama? never was a hit. never was looked at twice until elvis recorded it with a country/blues/gospel mix that didn't sound at all like the original blues record by big arthur crudup. in fact, elvis' recordings made many of these writers more money than their own recordings did.

songwriters like jerry lieber and mike stoller (two white jewish guys from new york were responsible for songs like hound dog, jailhouse rock, treat me nice, love me, etc... there's an often bandied about accusation that elvis stole from big mama thornton... who claimed falsely to have written the leiber and stoller song, hound dog.). in fact, love me was sent to elvis as a joke by lieber and stoller who didn't quite understand elvis when he started doing their songs. "treat me like a fool, treat me mean and cruel, but love me, break my faithful heart, tear it all apart, but love me..." it was making fun of country songs, but elvis sang it so heartfelt and seriously that it became a serious record. same with trouble--also a song that lieber and stoller didn't think was right for elvis. "are you looking for trouble, you've come to the right place, are you looking for trouble, just take a look right here in my face..." again, he took the song seriously and put a bucketload of sulty danger in it. both those songs could have been destroyed permanently if they were first recorded by a lesser voice or somebody who didn't take them seriously.

what the singer/songwriter movement did was make the songwriters like lieber and stoller irrelevant--guys who had no desire to ever put their voice to music. most of bob dylan's success was NOT in singing his own music, but in other people recording his music. writers became an endangered species and writers who were subpar singers started trashing their own writings and better singers were looked down upon for not choosing to jump on the writing bandwagon--and the ones that did wrote a lot of subpar material. do you think luciano pavarotti ever wrote a song? heck no.

elvis came from the gospel quartet singing style. those people are not frequently songwriters and have no desire to be. elvis was as comfortable singing standards like danny boy and frankie and johnny as he was singing more modern songs. crooners often sang different translations of foreign songs... so you have singers like dean martin and elvis presley both singing versions of the italian opera song, torna a sorrento (elvis' being surrender). you have elvis' most succesful record was another italian opera song--o' solo mio a.k.a. it's now or never.

do you think willie nelson was the writer or even the original singer of "always on my mind"??? nah. don't think so. it was written in 1972... FOR ELVIS. he didn't cover it until 1982. actually, brenda lee and elvis presley recorded it on the same day that it was given to them. it was written specifically with elvis' broken marriage in mind. many of his recordings in the later part of his career are very PERSONAL to him. several songs were written by one of his memphis mafia guys, red west (separate ways, that's someone you'll never forget, if you think i don't need you, you'll be gone, if you talk in your sleep, holly leaves and christmas trees, etc...). in fact, if you talk in your sleep specifically came from elvis telling stories about his sleepwalking and waking up in his underwear outside in front of lauderdale courts and seen by the girl he had a crush on when he was younger.

point is... his songs were often chosen while something specific was happening in his life. separate ways and always on my mind are his divorce songs... unchained melody became a shout that he was going home to god. it's easy for you and pieces of my life are other very autobiographical songs.

he was a very emotional singer... when i say he was an interpreter of music... i mean that he interpreted the emotions of a song. it isn't just about the sheet music of a song. it's interpreting it to portray specific emotional qualities. he had an honest emotional voice--which is why he is considered such an amazing singer and interpreter.

at least admit that ELVIS WAS A BETTER LIVE PERFORMER than the beatles! lol.


I admit nothing QT! To Elvis fans, Elvis was the best performer. To Beatles fans, The Beatles were the best performers. I actually love Elvis! (costello).
:D
 

San Holo

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herr gruber said:
I admit nothing QT! To Elvis fans, Elvis was the best performer. To Beatles fans, The Beatles were the best performers. I actually love Elvis! (costello).
:D
The beatles were bad enough....but Elvis Costello? Don't be Cruel 'lil mama, or daddy's gonna havta whip 'em out:gun:
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NileQT87

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even better.

don't mess with the big boss man, 'cause he was an american u.s. male. that's m-a-l-e, son. ;)

"If you're looking for trouble
You came to the right place
If you're looking for trouble
Just look right in my face..."

a little treat for those of us who prefer to TCB for EP:
the voice: An American Trilogy / What Now My Love
the hotness: Polk Salad Annie / My Babe
the man: Elvis On Tour interview

about who sold the most records worldwide (answer: elvis!): http://www.elvisinfonet.com/elvisvsbeatlespart1.html
 
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Matinee Idyll

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Nile, I adore Elvis. The '68 Special (along with the TAMI Show - both directed by Steve Binder incidently) is the most exciting, transcendent, perfect rock and roll experience ever caught on film...

But your rambling anti-Beatle posts are completely full of shît.
 

NileQT87

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actually... they aren't.

look at the lyrics of imagine with fresh eyes. but you might be liberal and thus biased. lennon, himself, claimed it was "virtually the communist manifesto"... but hey, don't believe him. it's not so 'peaceful' as people think.

i also have a very low-opinion of the '60s counterculture movement. so sue me.

and elvis' race up the chart in '69 beats everything in the '68 comeback special (though a lot of counterculture biased people at least give him credit for that more readily). better yet, his work between '69-'77 was some of the greatest work ever (and i'm very familiar with his live music). you have to remember that elvis was very much a top-selling live act, performing over 1,100 concerts.

in fact, elvis' last two #1s were both posthumous--way down (1977) and a little less conversation (2002). there was such an outpouring of demand for his material in the year following his death that rca had the record pressing plants working overtime and sales records for that entire year are non-existent and not even factored into his cumulative total. 70,000 people came to memphis to mourn--and there was only time for 20,000 to file past the coffin. 3 girls were hit by a drunk driver and 2 died. only 3 celebrities attended--ann-margret, her husband and james brown. james brown spent an hour alone with elvis. 30 years after his death a total of approx. 75,000 fans attended the last candlelight vigil.

elvis was the #1 artist of the '50s (followed by fats domino! of all people), #2 artist of the '60s and #6 artist of the '70s. yes, that is including all the flavors of the decade that sold less than he did even when he wasn't at his height of popularity. the drop in the '70s wasn't exactly falling record sales either. part of the reason that there was that he toured so vigorously that people chose to see his live act (one of the top live acts of the decade). he sold out madison square garden 4 consecutive nights in 1972--an unparalleled feat for the venue. in 1973, 1.4 billion people from 46 countries tuned in to watch elvis during aloha from hawaii. this was more people than watched man landing on the moon. there were only 3 billion people on earth at the time.

and it was hardly a nostalgia act. his live act in the '70s contained both new and old material--and much more contemporary than he is given credit for and VERY autobiographical and personal.

and he was hardly a dummy when it came to music. his interpretive singing, vastly different musical arrangements, highly influential mixing of genres, ability to play both guitar and piano (and frequently played both live or during jams), etc... but of course, his magical instrument was his voice--estimated at being at least 2.5 octaves (not to mention his voice changed dramatically from the innocent and playful voice of the '50s, the smooth voice of the early '60s, stronger/bluesier voice in the late-'60s and even into the '70s where it thickened and continued to move to operatic heights--despite his register becoming naturally lower in the '70s, he reached much higher notes in this period). his range was between high baritone and low tenor--hitting notes from both.

irrelevant to this discussion, but his bass singer, j.d. sumner, is the lowest bass singer in history (often known for impersonating an airplane landing). whereas his early act had scotty moore, bill black, d.j. fontana and the jordanaires, his later act including j.d. sumner and the stamps quartet, the sweet inspirations (bring the black motown girl group sound to his backup), the imperials, etc... james burton was his guitarist in this era (previously was ricky nelson's guitarist). the stamps, sweets and other permanent band mates stuck with him until the end and actually were touring around the world in recent years with elvis singing on a large screen and them playing live--sold out shows--the last of which was at the 30th anniversary after elvis' death. elvis never got to tour outside of the united states and briefly in canada due to his manager (col. tom parker a.k.a. andreas van kuijk was an illegal alien from holland).

he also recorded (in studio, home recordings and live) roughly 750+ songs between 1953 and 1977.

there's a strong hippie rewrite of history that doesn't take any of this into account. honestly, you'd never know these figures from the way they make it sound. elvis was never as irrelevant as it has been made to sound.

there's also a tendency to disregard anything that isn't blues or rock'n'roll. elvis was far more than something that could be pigeonholed into such a tiny category. he was equally known for country, gospel, pop, etc... and even had strong elements of opera (mario lanza and enrico caruso were both influences of his). his true loves were gospel and ballads, however. and those were where his heart really was at (and among his greatest work). in the '70s he became much freer to express who he really was, whereas in the '50s he was under a lot more pressure for commercial product (rock'n'roll). interestingly enough, his top-selling record was an early-'60s operatic ballad called "it's now or never" based on an italian opera song. all 3 of his grammys were for his gospel albums.

you also have to factor in that the critics hated him in every single era for different reasons (too crude and vulgar, too soft, not current). this is a huge part of the reason that elvis has NEVER been a critical darling, except by his own fans. the beatles have always gotten more respect because they came into a ready-made youth market that was ready for them. the barriers were already broken down. the beatles never had to face that anywhere on the level that elvis did (though the beatles had plenty of flare-ups on the religious front). but elvis was the one that suffered the brunt of criticisms for his changing of music.
 
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I'm not even gonna rise to the bait as you know you're talking out of your blue suede shoes. But ,It's alright mama. Are you lonesome tonight? With this anti Beatle Bo***x you will be.

"Two burgers to go with a side order of burgers."

"Don't get ketchup on my cape."

"What do you mean The Beatles are bigger than me?"

"Can I change my manager from this Colonel to Colonel Sanders?"

There. You made me do it.:sleep:

Oh, yes, Elvis handling firearms? Don't recall Lennon doing that...
 
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San Holo said:
The beatles were bad enough....but Elvis Costello? Don't be Cruel 'lil mama, or daddy's gonna havta whip 'em out:gun:
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Please, Elvis, don't whip 'em out. This is a family forum. Cover yourself up.
 

San Holo

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AngieAki said:
Why did you guys hijack this thread? Couldn't you have just started a new one? This is supposed to be about which Beatle was/is most attractive, not The Beatles vs. Elvis.
All in good fun, honey. A Beatles vs. Elvis thread is much more interesting than "which Beatle is the cutest"...that is like saying which member of the Villiage is the most manly:rolleyes: The Boys from Liverpool were no George Cloonys- The best tail that these "dreamboats" can pull include such greats as a a one legged lady and...Yoko.;) 'nuff said.
 

AngieAki

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San Holo said:
All in good fun, honey. A Beatles vs. Elvis thread is much more interesting than "which Beatle is the cutest"...that is like saying which member of the Villiage is the most manly:rolleyes: The Boys from Liverpool were no George Cloonys- The best tail that these "dreamboats" can pull include such greats as a a one legged lady and...Yoko.;) 'nuff said.
But they could have made their own ****ing thread... band vs. band is just dumb. Either you like them or you don't, it doesn't matter.
 

Matinee Idyll

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Nile - this is freakin' absurd. So you've read some Elvis biographies and have access to wikipedia, congratulations. Your sanctimonious, right-wing moralising is fücking sick and has no place in the discussion of music anyway.

I'm off now to listen to 'That's the Way it Is' and try to forget you exist.

...And in answer to the original question - George.
 

Kingsley

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San Holo said:
The best tail that these "dreamboats" can pull include such greats as a a one legged lady and...Yoko.;) 'nuff said.
I think they got so many women in those years that the next step was Yoko or becoming gay :p
 

San Holo

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Matinee Idyll said:
Nile - this is freakin' absurd. So you've read some Elvis biographies and have access to wikipedia, congratulations. Your sanctimonious, right-wing moralising is fücking sick and has no place in the discussion of music anyway.
Easy Matty.Let's start by watching the language, douchebag.. shall we? I for one enjoyed Nile's thoughts on Elvis, and last time I checked, that opinion of yours "has no place in the discussion of music anyway" and not much else for that matter.;)
 

Matinee Idyll

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Elvis and Lennon have more in common than you realise - they both cheated on their wives, for starters - How's that for fan treatment!

Seriously though Nile, make up an Elvis thread - I'd love to chat to a fellow fan (so long as you don't bring up John Lennon ;)). I want to talk Sun.

San Holo said:
The best tail that these "dreamboats" can pull include such greats as a a one legged lady and...Yoko.;) 'nuff said.

Terribly amusing, what a sensitive and compassionate man you are. Go and f*ck yourself, you misogynistic prîck.

'Nuff said.
 

San Holo

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Matinee Idyll said:
Go and f*ck yourself, you misogynistic prîck.

'Nuff said.
Will do, right after I finish up with your mom.:whip:
Misogynistic is a big, impressive word ... looks like somebody else has access to wikipedia...nice(y)
Seriously, you think George Harrison is hot? Aren't you a man:confused:
 
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This thread should have been called 'Who is the hottest Elvis?'.
That guy used to sweat profusely onstage. It was a combination of too much medication, hot lighting and sandwiches filled with peanut butter, jam, and pickle. That said, I do prefer the songs of the 'Tubby Elvis' period. (y)
 
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