Indy 4: Any Golden Idols?
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Darth Vile
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The Man said:
I think that's more an indication of the proportion of evident effects shots. TDK aside (and Australia?), those other movies on the list have more overt visual effects (not tangibly better). Wouldn’t you agree?
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Darth Vile said:
Whatever the criteria, Skull is the only Indy movie not to get a shot at the Visual Effects Oscar. A sense of sadness pervades...
Given the movie's production history and the 'understanding' that CG would be kept to a minimum, doesn't every effect shot feel overt to the viewer as a result..?
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The Man said:
Not to me. I'd say that KOTCS was one of the least effects ridden "event" movies of the summer. I don't think one could ever charge KOTCS with pushing the boundaries of visual effects (something I'm sure everyone here is happy they didn't try and do).
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Sound editing. Ben Burtt = total genius!
Oscars are total ****, but an Oscar nod would still be a nice moment of recognition.
Oscars are total ****, but an Oscar nod would still be a nice moment of recognition.
aJakeinthePlane
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the lighting in cinematography were the pleasant surprises for me. it was nice to see that they pulled it off w/o slocombe. although its still not the same.
The Golden Idol
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aJakeinthePlane said:
I was actually really disappointed with this. Everything looked pale green!
Was I the only one who noticed the obsession with smoke, fog and mist in this movie? It was EVERYWHERE. Now granted, this was very true of Temple of Doom (especially in the village and the catacombs), but for some reason I didn't find it distracting in that movie, where there was at least molten lava factored into the surroundings. I don't even know where the hell some of the smoke is coming from in Indy4. Like, I get accentuating the exhaust smoke from the car at the beginning to make the hat grab look cooler, but like what about when the Ugha are chasing the heroes down the steps? Or when Dovchenko is preparing to hit Indy with the chain? Is there a sugarcane crop being burnt just offscreen or something at any given moment?
In terms of physical aspects of the finished film, the cinematography was the most bothersome to me. To be frank, I hated Kaminski's work. It seemed to be the polar opposite of Slocombe; where Slocombe captured dark, rich colors, with shades of film noir, Kaminski gave us overexposed bubblegum, complete with lens flares that were far too noticeable.
And, yes, there was too much smoke. It should've been used more than it was in the Peru sequences, however.
And, yes, there was too much smoke. It should've been used more than it was in the Peru sequences, however.
Well, I may be stating the obvious, but in some cases, of course, the smoke was a cover for CGI, the warehouse being the most obvious instance of this.
Dr. Round said:
I would also like to point out that even though the original trilogy is known to have used lens flares, Indy4 probably uses them more than the first three combined, and a number of them are CGI-generated lens flares (the inside of the UFO, and when the heroes emerge from the temple to see the valley getting destroyed), which is I imagine where a lot of the disdain comes from.
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KVoss said:I thought maybe music, sound FX editing or SOMETHING...
Same here, but I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over it. It doesn't require validation from AMPAS.
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The Man said:
Actually, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade wasn't nominated for visual effects, either.
The Man said:
How would you know?
That said, I do think this movie was probably hurt by the cinematography, as has been discussed here previously. Kaminski's work does seem to have given an artificial quality to a lot of the movie and made much of it look like effects work, even when it's not, and thus diminished the effectiveness of both some otherwise fine visual effects work and some decent real-world stunt action.
Ah, well. Before the nominations were announced, the category I personally thought it most likely to get nominated for, as well as the one I thought it most deserving, would be Original Score; that it didn't get one for Johnny's work is a bit of a mild surprise and disappointment. C'est la vie...