Just opening a thread for something I'm pretty curious about, I've seen all the Sean Patrick Flanery reedited episodes, with its new linking material, and will list details of the ones not released to VHS below. But apart from 'My first Adventure' I haven't seen any of the new Corey Carrier edits, if anyone knows what his linking material is, please post it below.
Anyhoo, Post Pubescent Indy Linking Material, exclusive of VHS.
Loves Sweet Song
I've already detailed this pretty much over on the post for London 1916, only about a minute ago if you want to check it their. Its late, maybe I'll stick it here another time.
Demons of Deception
Pretty poor one this , after Indy blows up his motorbike, it cuts to Indy and Remy in some crater, Remy gives out to Indy about getting himself sent back to the trenches, Indy retorts with the information that hes secured them some leave time in Paris, end of linking material... Very short, and it really doesn't fit in... Remy seems to make Indy's selfless act out as some idiotic act.. despite the fact it saved his life. On to..
Espionage Escapades
Linking Barcelona 1917 and Prague 1917 is the minute long link of Indy, first wandering into the barber shop where two of the spies from the Barcelona episode, in ridiculous dress for some reason, tell Indy to meet with the Terry Jones Character in the gardens. Indy, sulking, as he always seems to be in the linking material, does so, and is told to meet a man somewhere.. Cut to Indy traveling to the meeting with said crazy crazy man.. the start of the next episode. Its impressive that they got back the actors from the last episode, especially Terry Jones, but I wish they'd made it less abrupt.
Winds Of Change
Right Winds of Change... Just watched that about an hour ago actually. Here the extra material uses the bookends to the original Travels with Father episode and make it into a full 45 minutes. With mixed results. After Indy leaves Paris, leaving Ned behind on the platform he suddenly gets very sad, cribby looking, and woeful, as he always is in the linking segments (thats becoming a refrain). I suppose it makes sense given what Ned has just said in the scene before. But it seems so Jarring. Anyway, his train treks past a fair amount of incredibly obvious stock footage, and then while passing a big stock footage graveyard, this small french kid and his mom (the french get a really bad wrap in this episode actually) start talking to Indy about the next war. The childs a bit psychotic actually, 'who will you fight' moans the increasingly morose Indy, 'The Germans of Course' beams psycho garcon.
Anyway, Eventually Indy gets to Le Harve, where he meets Random Indy conquest no. 47, some American Chick and her mother, shes pretty good looking actually, though the poor film stock makes it look like her skin is peeling off. Anyway, they hit it off during a rather painful 'aw shucks' romantic montage on the boat, with mother none too happy, I mean you wouldn't be too happy either if You were stuck on an obvious piece of stock footage. So anyway, they get back to America, and sail into an even more obvious stock footage New York harbor. Here the episode segues into the Travels with Father bit where he meets Nancy etc...
Whats good about all this is the relationship between Indy and his Father, which is vastly extended, and really adds weight to Indy leaving for chicago come the episodes end. Indy also gets a job with Proffessor Goddard and helps him with a rocket, AND fights some really dim racists with his never before seen childhood buddy Paul Robeson. I mean these Racists, not only are they racists, in my opinion the stupidest thing one can be on this earth, but they decide to take on football star Paul, and ex soldier Indy. Is that a can of Whoop Ass I hear sizzling open? Amusing fight ensues.
Anyway, Indy and Henry argue about politics, and Anna, and it gets fairly heated, and its pretty good, however, the romance is perfuntory at best, it doesn't really convince, and its hard to believe Indy's amazingly sad look as shes swept off to college at the end.
So thats is. I assume Everyones seen the videos? Special mention to Indy's colleague in Istanbul who talks of Venice like Bram Stoker talked of Transylvania, I'm amazed they weren't sued by the Venice tourist board.
Anyone still with me? No? Damn, I think I killed a couple of Board members. Whoops...
I trust you've seen all the ones released on video yeah? They're not all bad, I actually like the one on spring break adventure, mentioning Anna's death, and Indy's hilarious way of leaving home 'Remember Junior - Back by Sunday'
Can't say I noticed what the linking material was on the VHS releases, but then I was never that familiar with the original transmitted episodes in the first place.
Your writing there was quite hilarious... about the stock footage!
Most painful for me was the extending Daredevils of the Desert from a quick and exciting 45 minute episode, to an hour and a half dredge. The added scenes where they meet the ridiculous mercenaries at the oasis, the woman (obviously not Catherine Zeta Jones) stealing the mercenaries clothes ("dont ask" - ...oooook), and the horrible sequence at the bridge involving terrible blue screen, cr@p acting and shoddy special effects... ugh.
No wonder Sean looks so glum in the added sequences, they're bloody awful!
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Jeremiah Jones,
Why in-the-name-of-all-that-is-holy were these only shown on the BBC?
I must admit that I envy you, Jeremiah. "Winds of Change" is *the* episode
that I've wanted to see for so long. Thanks for the sneak peek! Man, have
I ever been missing out...
Matinee Idyll,
Wasn't "Palestine -October 1917" originally intended to be 2 episodes?
The 45 min. never aired in Canada so I've never known its content.
This makes it difficult, for me, to find the "new" segment(s).
May I ask, which parts are from the short version?
They were shown on RTE 1 as well, the Irish Terrestrial Channel, no idea why, and they were only shown at odd times too, like 10 o clock on a sunday morning, the whole run of em, saw My First Adventure too come to think of it, with a clearly taller Corey Carrier going off to get kidnapped in Morocco after the events in Egypt, its funny really, they filmed extra footage of Ned catching up with Dimetrios during the making of Star Wars Episode one, but merely have Ned Tackling Dimetrios, and finding he doesn't have the jackel. The end. Very weird. What could he have done with it?
Haven't seen the original Palestine, though had a feeling that bit with the mercenaries seemed really really pointless.
For how many episodes did they actually make linking segments?
Travels with Father, Phantom Train of Doom, Attack of the Hawkmen, Treasure of the Peacock's Eye, Mystery of the Blues, Scandal of 1920 and Hollywood Follies were made as 2 hour TV-events, so those episodes ALWAYS intended to be 2 hour episodes and they didn't have to make any linking segments for those. Because that's my problem with most 2 hour movies, that the episodes just don't belong together, they play in completely different countries or the plots just don't match.
There are actually two movies and although the episodes were shown seperately on TV , they really belong together in my opinion: Trenches of Hell and Oganga, Giver and Taker of Life.
Those are the ones that belong together in my opinion. If you have any more 2 hour TV events to add or two episodes that make up a really good movie, please reply!
Besides the fact that I love the Old Indy bookends, some of the linking segments are really bad and connect 2 episodes that were never intended to be together. Sad, but that's how Lucas always does it. Great original, stupid corrections.
Wasn't "Palestine -October 1917" originally intended to be 2 episodes?
The 45 min. never aired in Canada so I've never known its content.
This makes it difficult, for me, to find the "new" segment(s).
May I ask, which parts are from the short version?
This takes me back a long way mate... but the scenes at the oasis were new, the awful bit at the bridge was added, the battle at the beginning and end was much shorter originally. It had alot more punch.
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Anyway, Eventually Indy gets to Le Harve, where he meets Random Indy conquest no. 47, some American Chick and her mother, shes pretty good looking actually, though the poor film stock makes it look like her skin is peeling off.
I don't understand though, if the bookends for Travels with Father are gone... have there been linking footage to connect those two parts (Russia and Greece?)
Nono, I meant that in the new linking footage (when he meets up with Frank, and when they're walking through the desert) his hat is far too small for him, and all turned down and manky at the edges...
Then when we get to the original Curse of the Jackal footage, his hat is miraculously the right size and all turned up and spiffy (like this)...
Hey, I just joined this board after getting Volume 1 of "The Young Indiana Jones" DVD's in late October. The DVD's are great, and they bring back fond memories of watching the show on TV back in the early '90's (however, that's another thread).
I completely agree that most of the linking segments are unecessary and out of place, and should not have been used - Though I've only seen the ones in Volume 1 of the DVD set, the most jarring is the linking segment between the Ireland 1916 and London 1916 episodes. In that segment, Indy and Remy are on the boat and are discussing romantic love, etc. (an obvious and artificial set-up for the London sequence). In that scene, Indy's hair is significantly longer in the back than it had been in the Ireland 1916 episode, and then when the London 1916 episode starts, his hair goes back to being shorter in the back.
In this particular episode, there was no reason at all for the linking segment since, at the end of the original Ireland episode, they are getting on the boat for London, and at the beginning of the original London episode, they are getting off the boat.
Most painful for me was the extending Daredevils of the Desert from a quick and exciting 45 minute episode, to an hour and a half dredge.
This might be a question for someone who's really deep into the show and has seen the original Palestine episode, so this might be someone like Matinee or Jeremiah. I think I've read somewhere that the original Palestine episode was a special episode, that wasn't 45 but really 60 minutes long (without commercials). I have been looking for a source, but couldn't find it anymore. Anyone who knows something about that?
I'm not sure, I never saw the original Palestine episode unfortunately, but it seems from all the stuff going on (and from the fact that you can plainly tell original footage from new stuff) that it would have to be something longe then 45 minutes, also, were there ever bookends for it? I'm not sure.
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Nono, I meant that in the new linking footage (when he meets up with Frank, and when they're walking through the desert) his hat is far too small for him, and all turned down and manky at the edges...
Then when we get to the original Curse of the Jackal footage, his hat is miraculously the right size and all turned up and spiffy (like this)...
It's obviously a different hat.
Continuity horror...
i wonder what they were thinking when they used that hat on the new linking footage. Looks like a hobo's hat.
I've a feeling its the same hat, just taken out of storage. If you don't wear a hat like that they tend to shrink quite a bit, but then again, we're Indy Fans, so we know that. Indy Fan = Fedora Specialist.
Sitting here, when I should be working watching Tales of Innocence, and once again struck by the hilarity and awfulness of the linking sequence, Doctor: Well you're well enough to be reassigned, to Venice, To Indy, who is in a wheelchair, covered in bandages, with mystery nurse who barely gets any dialogue. Priceless. Though not as fantastic as yer man talking about venice in the masks of Evil linking. Love it..
I'm so torn over the linking segments in general. I love, love, love the show in its original form, and so many of the linking segments grate horribly... yet at the same time, beyond simply being "more Indy," some of them really actually are quite well-done, or do improve upon things in the original presentations, and a few of the two-parters just do work beautifully as "movies."
My ideal, dream version of the show would be something somewhere between the original versions (complete with old Indy bookends!) and the "The Adventures of..." reconfigurations (which, actually, is also largely true of my own personal ideal Star Wars original trilogy)...
The problem with the linking segments was that while they were a good idea in theory (i.e., having a link between two roughly 45-minute long episodes because they were being edited into a 1 1/2 hour movie), when produced, many looked terrible (overall).
In most cases, the transition was not smooth due to sloppiness:
- having the length of Indy's or Remy's hair (or Remy's mustache) be significantly longer/shorter than in the framing episodes.
Or cheapness:
- many of the linking sequences looked very low-budget in comparision to the framing episodes.
A great example is the one very long sequence between the Paris Peace Talks 1919 episode and the Princeton 1919 episode (Winds of Change). Though the episodes themselves were great, the linking sequence was poor.
I understand a lot of this was due to the fact that they were going back and filming sequences years after the episodes they went with were filmed, but I still think this could've been handled better.
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Recently noticed: During the linking segment of "Spring Break Adventure", there is a foreshadow of the Morocco chapter
in "Tales of Innocence"! Anyone else catch this?
I'll have to be on the lookout for that spot Stoo. Spring Break Adventures should be making its way to my dvd player again in the near future.
Great writeup on the linking segments Jeremiah! Tho I myself am not bothered by the use of stock footage, even tho I agree the obvious difference in film stock can be a little jarring. The way I see it, the stock footage is technically more accurate or "true" if you will than the staged shots, as virtually all of them would have been shot closer to the actual time frame being depicted in the story. Besides, it could be worse. Entire battles were recycled for at least one of the Godzilla movies!
I have to confess that I couldn't immediately spot the linking segments myself on my first go-round with the series. But I don't have memories of the old versions competing the new either!
Actually Stoo now that you mention it (though it has been a while since you mentioned, so 'now' possibly isn't the best word) In the Spring Break Adventure Linking segment, just as it goes into original episode material (Just after the wolf Howl) theres a shot thats repeated in Hollywood Follies, possibly as a way of rounding out the series
Just picked up the series on DVD and noticed too the jarring linking scenes. Some are indeed better than others but the one in Masks of Evil, wow. Not only Indy's friend having had a nightmarish, blood-soaked vision of Venice (not to mention Indy's very long hair in the scene contrasting sharply with his very short hair at the start of the Transylvania episode), but also Indy's meeting with his superiors, who start off by congratulating him on a mission well done when in fact the mission to bring Kemal over to the Allied side failed miserably. Kemal flatly rejected the French offer (rightly so as the Allies just wanted to colonize Turkey). Go figure.
, after Indy blows up his motorbike, it cuts to Indy and Remy in some crater, Remy gives out to Indy about getting himself sent back to the trenches, Indy retorts with the information that hes secured them some leave time in Paris, end of linking material... Very short, and it really doesn't fit in... Remy seems to make Indy's selfless act out as some idiotic act.. despite the fact it saved his life. 
as he always is in the linking segments (thats becoming a refrain). I suppose it makes sense given what Ned has just said in the scene before. But it seems so Jarring. Anyway, his train treks past a fair amount of incredibly obvious stock footage, and then while passing a big stock footage graveyard, this small french kid and his mom (the french get a really bad wrap in this episode actually)
start talking to Indy about the next war. The childs a bit psychotic actually, 'who will you fight' moans the increasingly morose Indy, 'The Germans of Course' beams psycho garcon. 
Amusing fight ensues. 
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