As well regarded as this episode is (even by 'true' Indy fans ) - it never quite gelled for me. Sure, the action is there, lots of explosions and shoot outs and things, but ultimately it felt quite hollow and empty - particularly when you compare it to the brilliant Oganga two parter.
The stereotypical Texan and Australian old folks kinda irked me, some of the action was ludicrous even by Indiana Jones standards - the lasso that miraculously didn't break, despite the fact it was pulling about 300 tonnes of train!
I like the second half with the German general more than the train section, I'll say that - some good character interplay.
Eh, not one of my favourites - but I can see the appeal.
Really, I rather liked that episode, especially since it was the first Young Indy episode I ever watched. Since this was released on DVD and VHS uncut (or at least I hope it's like that), it had the real and not the fake re-edited look with it.
The brilliant cinematography, with the African vegetation and wildlife, caught my attention immediately and the action was brilliant, too. Ok, some of the characters were somewhat annoying, but this wasn't that bad. The second part was better than the first, no doubt, but I still think it was quiet good.
Von Lettow is a great character and even though he can be considered the villain of the episode he had some depth and he wasn't a really bad person, after all. This toilet paper thing was kinda stupid too but it made me smile (at least the first time when I watched it).
In the end, I would say it really isn't the best Young Indy episode, but still entertaining and interesting. I have to admit, I've never seen Oganga and I'm really looking forward to that film. I think I'll give the episode 4 out of 5 phantom trains.
Right, it never did, which doesn't make it a bad episode, but it was actually the first one not to have any. Was this episode really never changed or are the 2 parts re-edited together for the VHS and DVD, because only the first part really is about the PhantomTrain!
I'd imagine they were used to the format more than anything else, of their plotlines being a particular length, and also that perhaps it was originally intended to be done as hour long episodes before being reconceived as a film.
And the bit about the absence of George Hall making it a bad episode wasn't a response to you, but rather to Matinee Idyll. I have no problems with you, Flannery10.
I'd imagine they were used to the format more than anything else, of their plotlines being a particular length, and also that perhaps it was originally intended to be done as hour long episodes before being reconceived as a film.
And the bit about the absence of George Hall making it a bad episode wasn't a response to you, but rather to Matinee Idyll. I have no problems with you, Flannery10.
Heh, my apathy for the episode has nothing to do with George Hall - it's just alittle too silly in parts without being amusing.
And the bit about the absence of George Hall making it a bad episode wasn't a response to you, but rather to Matinee Idyll. I have no problems with you, Flannery10.
No offense taken, and I really didn't think that reply was supposed to be for me. But anyway, since this was always without Geroge Hall, it doesn't have the fake re-edited look to it, which is why I think it's one of the better two-hour movies, that are released on DVD now.
About you Matinee, I agree some scenes were way to "funny" to make me laugh, but the action is still pretty good and I think a 3 is a little to low for PhantomTrain, but hey I don't wanna change your opinion, just my point of view.
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My favourite scene in the entire series is when the German soldier
swings the grappling hook and jumps from the truck to the balloon.
Colonial Africa is another great passion of mine so, for me, this
is the absolute highpoint.
He was part of Selous's army.He's the one who wore the flower in his hat and tight rope walks across the trains when they detach.He can also be seen in full clown makeup when Indy first stumbles onto the camp.Is kinda odd that they would have him in full clown getup on the back.
Sorry I can't provide a name for him..Anyone know it??
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It's Zoltan (or as "Big Mac" calls him, Zolie). When Selous is introducing his team
to Gen. Smuts, one of the things he says about Zoltan is "best clown in Europe".
If you watch the Selous documentary on the DVD, there is a small part that mentions
all those guys. Really interesting to learn that they weren't fictional characters.
I think he did the same with Howard Carter when he meets him again in "Treasure of the Peacock's Eye". It would have been funny if the third season would have been made, because maybe we would have seen the "Jerusalem, June 1909" episode where Indy meets Abner Ravenwood for the first time, and maybe an episode later on where he's in college and says something like "Mr. Ravenwood? Maybe you don't remember me. I'm Henry Jones, Jr. We met a little over ten years ago in Jerusalem when I was a kid."
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And I'm surprised he didn't re-introduce himself to President Wilson in Paris, too.
O.K. wait - Did he meet Wilson in one of the junior novels or something?
Good to see you posting, Junior Jones!
Indy's clue-dropping didn't work on Demetrios so had to break into the man's home
and steal his jackal head in order to make the guy realize who he was.
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"Mr. Ravenwood? Maybe you don't remember me. I'm Henry Jones, Jr. We met a little over ten years ago in Jerusalem when I was a kid."
Perfect! Could you hear Ned to Indy, "Are you the kid who keeps writing me all
those blasted letters?" How about Indy to Remy, "It's me Indy! You almost executed
me in Mexico 2 years ago. Don't you remember? I'm responsible for your 2 missing toes!"
Serioulsy, though, you can forgive any of the other names to not recognize Indy.
It would be interesting to see who was still alive after Indy becomes "famous" so they
could say, "Yes, I've known Prof. Jones since he was just a boy. As a matter of fact, in 19..."
It would be interesting to see who was still alive after Indy becomes "famous" so they
could say, "Yes, I've known Prof. Jones since he was just a boy. As a matter of fact, in 19..."
And now for another of my "conversations": The year is 1935, a few months before T.E. Lawrence dies in a motorcycle wreck. Indy has returned home and has just published a paper on the Thuggee cult. It quickly becomes a national fascination in the US. Every reporter is looking to interview anyone even remotely close to Indy:
Reporter: "So Mr. Lawrence, you say you've known the famous archaeologist Indiana Jones since he was a child?"
T.E. Lawrence: "Indeed I have."
Reporter: "What can you say about him?"
T.E. Lawrence: "He's the most extraordinary man I've ever known. He's a poet, a scholar and a mighty warrior. He's also the most shameless exhibitionist since Barnum and Bailey."
And now for another of my "conversations": The year is 1935, a few months before T.E. Lawrence dies in a motorcycle wreck. Indy has returned home and has just published a paper on the Thuggee cult. It quickly becomes a national fascination in the US. Every reporter is looking to interview anyone even remotely close to Indy:
Reporter: "So Mr. Lawrence, you say you've known the famous archaeologist Indiana Jones since he was a child?"
T.E. Lawrence: "Indeed I have."
Reporter: "What can you say about him?"
T.E. Lawrence: "He's the most extraordinary man I've ever known. He's a poet, a scholar and a mighty warrior. He's also the most shameless exhibitionist since Barnum and Bailey."
) - it never quite gelled for me. Sure, the action is there, lots of explosions and shoot outs and things, but ultimately it felt quite hollow and empty - particularly when you compare it to the brilliant Oganga two parter.
