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Old 01-08-2008, 12:04 PM   #1
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The Other Stories - Canon?

If by some chance George Lucas starts up YIJ again (which I hope he does) then do you think he'll go by the time line set forth by the books and comics to do the series... or do you think he'll just go by the books... or do you think he'd make up his own stories using the same artifacts (thus removing the books and comics from the Official timeline and deeming them uncanon.

Personally I think the books are good enough to be canon (some of them)... but the comics... nah...

but I would rather George create his own stories if he were to restart YIJ.
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:08 PM   #2
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If by some chance George Lucas starts up YIJ again (which I hope he does) then do you think he'll go by the time line set forth by the books and comics to do the series... or do you think he'll just go by the books... or do you think he'd make up his own stories using the same artifacts (thus removing the books and comics from the Official timeline and deeming them uncanon.

Personally I think the books are good enough to be canon (some of them)... but the comics... nah...

but I would rather George create his own stories if he were to restart YIJ.

Sean Patrick Flannery is now older than Harrison Ford was when he did Raiders, and if they recast then there would be no less than SIX people having played Indiana Jones.
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Old 01-08-2008, 01:48 PM   #3
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I've never read an Indy comic, so I can't give an opinion on that. I've read all the books though, and yes they could be seen as canon, even though a couple of details given in the books don't fit with others.

Even though, I doubt Lucas will ever make another season of Young Indy, he probably would stick to the episodes already made.

Oh, and for the record when I read the title I already knew what is gonna happen with this thread. It's gonna end up like the other canon thread, wanna bet?
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Old 01-08-2008, 02:24 PM   #4
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Ok... I'll put 10 bucks down on that.

Oh and oki9Sedo, who cares? There were a LOT of James Bond's. And if you love the series good enough then you'll not care too much that there face is a little different... it is possible to find someone who looks a lot like Flannery AND can act good.

I suggest that they hire Flannery and do the 30's stories with him... then hire someone else to play a 20's Indy...

Harrison to do bookends... perfecto
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Old 01-08-2008, 02:31 PM   #5
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I highly doubt we will see more young Indy episodes. If Lucas had wanted he could have made those episodes back when the rest of the series was made.

I think we might see those stories used though. Maybe Dark Horse could adapt those into comics.
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Old 01-08-2008, 05:13 PM   #6
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I highly doubt we will see more young Indy episodes. If Lucas had wanted he could have made those episodes back when the rest of the series was made.

I think we might see those stories used though. Maybe Dark Horse could adapt those into comics.

Not necessarily. He had like 20 episodes planned back when they were filming but never filmed them mainly because of the stupid critics. They got all over the show and got the supporters to stop supporting it.

I think now with the YIJ DVD success it's more of a possibility for them to restart. Now that YIJ is famous again.

Episodes that weren't filmed:
* "Princeton, May 1905" was to involve Indy meeting Paul Robeson for the first time.
* "Russia, March 1909"
* "Geneva, May 1909"
* "Jerusalem, June 1909" was to involve Indy meeting Abner Ravenwood, who is trying to find a "sacred relic"—the Ark on the temple mount. In "Palestine, October 1917", Indy and his comrades suggest that they will be returning to this location by Christmas of 1917.
* "Stockholm, December 1909"
* "Melbourne, March 1910" was to involve Indy meeting Harry Houdini and flying in a balloon with him. The events of this episode are mentioned in "Palestine, October 1917".
* "Tokyo, April 1910"
* "LeHavre, June 1916" was to involve Indy and Remy in basic training. When Remy is accused of murdering their drill sergeant, Indy defends him. The two also meet Jean Renoir, who teaches them how to fight in battles.
* "Flanders, July 1916" was to involve Indy, Remy and Jaques fighting in Flanders. The events of this episode are mentioned in "Trenches of Hell".
* "Berlin, Late August 1916" was to be a second season episode that involved Indy escaping from prison and fleeing to Berlin, and would have been the third part in the Somme/Germany cycle following Indy's capture in Somme, his escape from prison, his escape from Germany itself. He has to decide between returning to the US (since the US isn't at war with Germany yet) or returning to the Belgium Army. He ultimately decides to return to the Belgian army. Indy would have met Sigrid Schultz.
* "Moscow, March 1918" was meant as a sequel to "Russia, 1917". It would have involved Indy working with counter-revolutionary groups in order to allow the U.S. to takeover.
* "Bombay, April 1919" was to involve Indy meeting Gandhi on his way back from his search for the Eye of the Peacock diamond, while Remy is still searching for the diamond. Remy and Indy fight about continuing the treasure search.
* "Buenos Aires, June 1919" was to involve Indy being robbed while trying to returning to the U.S.. where he works as a tutor. He then ends up in South America as a tutor.
* "Princeton, August 1919"
* "Havana, December 1919" was to involve Indy his father in Cuba. The episode would have revolved around integration issues and Indy and Henry Sr. seeing a black player outplaying Babe Ruth.
* "Honduras, December 1920" was to involve Indy meeting Belloq for the first time and they become friends. Belloq steals a crystal skull and sells it.
* "Alaska, June 1921" was to involve Indy studying Eskimos, and rushing to deliver medical supplies by dog sled in order to save a village. The events of this episode are foreshadowed in "Travels with Father".
* "Brazil, December 1921" was to involve Indy and Belloq in a search for a lost city, and meeting Charles Fawcett.

And besides... what numskull would honestly rather read a comic or a book instead of watch a film of the exact same thing. (no offense to you). I just personally think if it's a decision between a comic or a film most everyone would choose film. AND pay big bucks to buy DVDs of them!
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Old 01-08-2008, 05:49 PM   #7
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* "Jerusalem, June 1909" was to involve Indy meeting Abner Ravenwood, who is trying to find a "sacred relic"—the Ark on the temple mount.
* "Havana, December 1919" was to involve Indy his father in Cuba. The episode would have revolved around integration issues and Indy and Henry Sr. seeing a black player outplaying Babe Ruth.
* "Honduras, December 1920" was to involve Indy meeting Belloq for the first time and they become friends. Belloq steals a crystal skull and sells it.
* "Brazil, December 1921" was to involve Indy and Belloq in a search for a lost city, and meeting Charles Fawcett.

I don't get why Lucas didn't do these episodes earlier on. Stuff with Indy's father, Abner, and Belloq would have been awesome, and might have helped ratings to have these well-known characters in there. And even though we see Henry Sr. multiple times in the series, it's always cool for him to be involved in a story IMO.
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Old 01-08-2008, 05:53 PM   #8
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I don't get why Lucas didn't do these episodes earlier on. Stuff with Indy's father, Abner, and Belloq would have been awesome, and might have helped ratings to have these well-known characters in there. And even though we see Henry Sr. multiple times in the series, it's always cool for him to be involved in a story IMO.

like in Travels with Father
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Old 02-01-2008, 12:27 AM   #9
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Not necessarily. He had like 20 episodes planned back when they were filming but never filmed them mainly because of the stupid critics. They got all over the show and got the supporters to stop supporting it.

I think now with the YIJ DVD success it's more of a possibility for them to restart. Now that YIJ is famous again.

Episodes that weren't filmed:
* "Princeton, May 1905" was to involve Indy meeting Paul Robeson for the first time.
* "Russia, March 1909"
* "Geneva, May 1909"
* "Jerusalem, June 1909" was to involve Indy meeting Abner Ravenwood, who is trying to find a "sacred relic"—the Ark on the temple mount. In "Palestine, October 1917", Indy and his comrades suggest that they will be returning to this location by Christmas of 1917.
* "Stockholm, December 1909"
* "Melbourne, March 1910" was to involve Indy meeting Harry Houdini and flying in a balloon with him. The events of this episode are mentioned in "Palestine, October 1917".
* "Tokyo, April 1910"
* "LeHavre, June 1916" was to involve Indy and Remy in basic training. When Remy is accused of murdering their drill sergeant, Indy defends him. The two also meet Jean Renoir, who teaches them how to fight in battles.
* "Flanders, July 1916" was to involve Indy, Remy and Jaques fighting in Flanders. The events of this episode are mentioned in "Trenches of Hell".
* "Berlin, Late August 1916" was to be a second season episode that involved Indy escaping from prison and fleeing to Berlin, and would have been the third part in the Somme/Germany cycle following Indy's capture in Somme, his escape from prison, his escape from Germany itself. He has to decide between returning to the US (since the US isn't at war with Germany yet) or returning to the Belgium Army. He ultimately decides to return to the Belgian army. Indy would have met Sigrid Schultz.
* "Moscow, March 1918" was meant as a sequel to "Russia, 1917". It would have involved Indy working with counter-revolutionary groups in order to allow the U.S. to takeover.
* "Bombay, April 1919" was to involve Indy meeting Gandhi on his way back from his search for the Eye of the Peacock diamond, while Remy is still searching for the diamond. Remy and Indy fight about continuing the treasure search.
* "Buenos Aires, June 1919" was to involve Indy being robbed while trying to returning to the U.S.. where he works as a tutor. He then ends up in South America as a tutor.
* "Princeton, August 1919"
* "Havana, December 1919" was to involve Indy his father in Cuba. The episode would have revolved around integration issues and Indy and Henry Sr. seeing a black player outplaying Babe Ruth.
* "Honduras, December 1920" was to involve Indy meeting Belloq for the first time and they become friends. Belloq steals a crystal skull and sells it.
* "Alaska, June 1921" was to involve Indy studying Eskimos, and rushing to deliver medical supplies by dog sled in order to save a village. The events of this episode are foreshadowed in "Travels with Father".
* "Brazil, December 1921" was to involve Indy and Belloq in a search for a lost city, and meeting Charles Fawcett.

And besides... what numskull would honestly rather read a comic or a book instead of watch a film of the exact same thing. (no offense to you). I just personally think if it's a decision between a comic or a film most everyone would choose film. AND pay big bucks to buy DVDs of them!
it's MUCH MORE THAN LIKELY after the KOTC no new YIJ episodes/movies will be made. remember these 3 volumes represent chapters 1-22, and the movies represent chapters 23, 24, 25 with KOTCS being Chapter 26. Lucas won't do anything more than sequels with harrison ford at MOST even thats unlikely but possible at best. YIJ is officially done and after KOTCS the whole canon continuity will be COMPLETE. I'm sad to say that but i think it's for the best. the 1905 episode he could maybe do as a prequel to pre-date his adventures and Prof. Jones "world lecture tour" but even thats a stretch.
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Old 02-01-2008, 12:39 AM   #10
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Not necessarily. He had like 20 episodes planned back when they were filming but never filmed them mainly because of the stupid critics. They got all over the show and got the supporters to stop supporting it.

I think now with the YIJ DVD success it's more of a possibility for them to restart. Now that YIJ is famous again.

Episodes that weren't filmed:
* "Princeton, May 1905" was to involve Indy meeting Paul Robeson for the first time.
* "Russia, March 1909"
* "Geneva, May 1909"
* "Jerusalem, June 1909" was to involve Indy meeting Abner Ravenwood, who is trying to find a "sacred relic"—the Ark on the temple mount. In "Palestine, October 1917", Indy and his comrades suggest that they will be returning to this location by Christmas of 1917.
* "Stockholm, December 1909"
* "Melbourne, March 1910" was to involve Indy meeting Harry Houdini and flying in a balloon with him. The events of this episode are mentioned in "Palestine, October 1917".
* "Tokyo, April 1910"
* "LeHavre, June 1916" was to involve Indy and Remy in basic training. When Remy is accused of murdering their drill sergeant, Indy defends him. The two also meet Jean Renoir, who teaches them how to fight in battles.
* "Flanders, July 1916" was to involve Indy, Remy and Jaques fighting in Flanders. The events of this episode are mentioned in "Trenches of Hell".
* "Berlin, Late August 1916" was to be a second season episode that involved Indy escaping from prison and fleeing to Berlin, and would have been the third part in the Somme/Germany cycle following Indy's capture in Somme, his escape from prison, his escape from Germany itself. He has to decide between returning to the US (since the US isn't at war with Germany yet) or returning to the Belgium Army. He ultimately decides to return to the Belgian army. Indy would have met Sigrid Schultz.
* "Moscow, March 1918" was meant as a sequel to "Russia, 1917". It would have involved Indy working with counter-revolutionary groups in order to allow the U.S. to takeover.
* "Bombay, April 1919" was to involve Indy meeting Gandhi on his way back from his search for the Eye of the Peacock diamond, while Remy is still searching for the diamond. Remy and Indy fight about continuing the treasure search.
* "Buenos Aires, June 1919" was to involve Indy being robbed while trying to returning to the U.S.. where he works as a tutor. He then ends up in South America as a tutor.
* "Princeton, August 1919"
* "Havana, December 1919" was to involve Indy his father in Cuba. The episode would have revolved around integration issues and Indy and Henry Sr. seeing a black player outplaying Babe Ruth.
* "Honduras, December 1920" was to involve Indy meeting Belloq for the first time and they become friends. Belloq steals a crystal skull and sells it.
* "Alaska, June 1921" was to involve Indy studying Eskimos, and rushing to deliver medical supplies by dog sled in order to save a village. The events of this episode are foreshadowed in "Travels with Father".
* "Brazil, December 1921" was to involve Indy and Belloq in a search for a lost city, and meeting Charles Fawcett.

And besides... what numskull would honestly rather read a comic or a book instead of watch a film of the exact same thing. (no offense to you). I just personally think if it's a decision between a comic or a film most everyone would choose film. AND pay big bucks to buy DVDs of them!
also i know i'm pretty much puting my neck on the gelatine by saying this...but i'll risk it and hope i don't get burned alive. i think if the 1905 princeton episode WAS filmed as a 45min prelude to the YIJC, they should get Jake Lloyd to play the 6yr old Indy

i duck covering head

i have a whip!
and a gun!
and a really nice smile...
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Old 02-01-2008, 12:56 AM   #11
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also i know i'm pretty much puting my neck on the gelatine by saying this...but i'll risk it and hope i don't get burned alive. i think if the 1905 princeton episode WAS filmed as a 45min prelude to the YIJC, they should get Jake Lloyd to play the 6yr old Indy

i duck covering head

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and a really nice smile...




Why put your neck on it? It's more useful when you just eat it.
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they should get Jake Lloyd to play the 6yr old Indy
Who is 17 at the moment, I must add.
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Old 02-01-2008, 04:45 AM   #13
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Who is 17 at the moment, I must add.

Is he still a terrible actor?
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Is he still a terrible actor?
How the heck should I know? All I've seen from him is the Phantom Menace.

But that's not the point here, but the fact that is he a bad actor or not, isn't he a little... eldish to play a six-year-old? Sure Hollywood makeup can do wonders but...
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How the heck should I know? All I've seen from him is the Phantom Menace.

But that's not the point here, but the fact that is he a bad actor or not, isn't he a little... eldish to play a six-year-old? Sure Hollywood makeup can do wonders but...

I don't think he even acts anymore. And I don't really think he did that bad in TPM.
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I don't think he even acts anymore. And I don't really think he did that bad in TPM.


Well,He did better then Hayden,That's for sure.
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As I said in another recent thread, it's highly unlikely that we will ever see more YIJC on film. Maybe in the form of novels or comics, but the filmed YIJC material ended in 1996 unfortunately.

Lucas himself confirmed this at last year's PALEY festival. During a Q&A session, someone asked him if he had any plans to continue the series, and he explained that the series was a product of its time, and that it's not something that you can just pick up again years later. Of course, that's ironic coming from Lucas, the same man who loves to re-edit (and as a result, unintentionally tarnish) his works.
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Old 02-28-2008, 08:50 PM   #18
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I would most certainly think that only the films are canon, and everything else is just bonus. Seems to be the consensus here as well.
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I will direct you to my thread on Lucasfilm's official stance on Indy canon. It's pretty much the same as Star Wars canon.

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=12989
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I will direct you to my thread on Lucasfilm's official stance on Indy canon. It's pretty much the same as Star Wars canon.

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=12989

That's a well done Wiki. Thanks UMG. Intruiging stuff.
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Seems to be the consensus here as well.

Since this is the internet, and tone doesn't come across well, understand that I say the following in the nicest way possible: Fan consensus doesn't determine what is and isn't canon. In the case of YIJC, Lucas has made it clear of many occasions that the series is canon.
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Since this is the internet, and tone doesn't come across well, understand that I say the following in the nicest way possible: Fan consensus doesn't determine what is and isn't canon. In the case of YIJC, Lucas has made it clear of many occasions that the series is canon.

You are absolutely right about that, and I hope I didn't come across as pretentious at all. I'm sure I didn't, and I appreciate you prefacing your comment the way you did. I was applying the Star Wars logic (as far as Lucas saying only the movies are canon; everything else is EU), but now I know what the man in flannel says. He should know, so that's cool with me.

I suppose I take a Force-Cast approach, where everyone has their own canon, which isn't always the real deal, but fun in its own way.
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I'd say that since the origin of Indy is on film, and the Young Indy tv show was also filmed by Lucas, (and that he's said it's canon, which would be the most compelling reason) that all of the movies and the tv show are canon. Books, video games, etc. should be considered EU, like in Star Wars.

BTW, I think Jake Lloyd was in a couple of episodes of Stargate SG-1 playing the younger reincarnation of Orlin (a character originally played by Sean Patrick Flanery). Based on what had happened to the character, he wasn't all that bad, although I still wish that Flanery's Orlin could have returned instead.
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I've personally never accepted anything but the films as canon.

Not the YIJC, the comics, books or games.

Don't even ask me about the Star Wars prequels. They don't exist to me.
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as far as YIJC being canon, isn't there a guy who keeps the track of the Indiana Jones continuity (I think he also follows the Star Wars continuity, too)? What has that guy said about whats canon and what isn't? He is probably the authority.
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