Yeah, I was slightly disappointed that almost a third of the trailer was clips from the other films, and as others have pointed out, the sentences they use don't really make sense. But still, I enjoyed the trailer, and I have certainly watched it a lot.
So this statement isn't all that factually wrong. It's simply a fairly new discovery that apparently most (if not all of you) aren't aware of. Mohenjo Daro - look it up. It's very interesting stuff.
Actually, I mentioned the Indus Valley in my post. Plumbing, organized cities - I know all about it.
The broader point is that the claim still doesn't stand up. Mesopotamian civilization seems to have been around since about 5000 BC; we're taking at least 1000 years later, and probably more, in the Indus Valley. Perhaps more importantly, the indications of a direct connection between the Indus Valley civilization and anything that came afterwards are far weaker than those for what emerged between the Tigris and the Euphrates.
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Originally Posted by Canyon
This is an interesting discussion.
If you remember from Temple of Doom, Mola Ram proclaims:
The British in India will be slaughtered. Then we will overrun the Moslems. Then the Hebrew God will fall. The Christian God will be cast down and forgotten. Soon Kali Ma will rule the world!
So, this is very much the Nazi's trying to take over the world (perhaps on a much smaller scale, but still...)
NO! ToD was supposed to be the one Indiana Jones movie that didn't have Nazis (apart from KotCS, but that doesn't count)! This completely rocks the foundation of my life!
Actually, I mentioned the Indus Valley in my post. Plumbing, organized cities - I know all about it.
The broader point is that the claim still doesn't stand up. Mesopotamian civilization seems to have been around since about 5000 BC; we're taking at least 1000 years later, and probably more, in the Indus Valley. Perhaps more importantly, the indications of a direct connection between the Indus Valley civilization and anything that came afterwards are far weaker than those for what emerged between the Tigris and the Euphrates.
... but of course, scientists don't usually use terms like "weaker" or "stronger". Especially when one is speaking of so called "civilizations", rather weighty terms. If you catch my drift.
... but of course, scientists don't usually use terms like "weaker" or "stronger". Especially when one is speaking of so called "civilizations", rather weighty terms. If you catch my drift.
I don't, no. When one is speaking of arguments, I don't see why we shouldn't use weaker or stronger (I also seem to recall from high school chemistry and physics that there are weak and strong forces, and acids, and bases, but that's perhaps besides the point). I also have the good fortune of not being a scientist, so...
I don't, no. When one is speaking of arguments, I don't see why we shouldn't use weaker or stronger (I also seem to recall from high school chemistry and physics that there are weak and strong forces, and acids, and bases, but that's perhaps besides the point). I also have the good fortune of not being a scientist, so...
I thought that too, a tad too melodramatic, those are still adventure movies.
This is not Ghandi
I still dont get the cradle of civilization....:confused:
He saved the children. Good god, how can anyone not understand it.
I get more goosebumps when I see Indy walk back to the village and all the children run back to their parents than any other moment in the trilogy. Yeah, it aint as "cool" as the ark and the grail...but children are important.
You people need to get a grip. Seriously. 3 pages on this...embarrasing.
Well, India is between China and Persia which were two of the earliest and most important civilizations. Plus he rescued children. I think there's a double meaning and that's what was meant by it.
This is one of many definitions of cradle:
the place where anything is nurtured during its early existence: i.e. Boston was the cradle of the American Revolution.
I tend to think that is what "cradle of civilization" was trying to say- he saved the world from being taken over by the Thuggee cult.
So what exactly did he pull off in the remaining two movies then?
"Ah, don't be silly, Junior! Adolf doesn't want the Grail to take over the world! He just wants a cool-looking thing to serve some pickle lard at the next Ochtoberfesht..."
I'm entirely speaking as a member here, but I have to say that even if you are being smart somehow here, you're not being comprehensible. Let us all in on it?
I think its completely clear that the cradle of civilization is the children. It has nothing to do with India or the States or Africa or anywhere. Its EVERYWHERE.
The cradle of civilization...ANY civilization, is children.
I think its completely clear that the cradle of civilization is the children. It has nothing to do with India or the States or Africa or anywhere. Its EVERYWHERE.
The cradle of civilization...ANY civilization, is children.
Still not clear enough?
This is clear, your meaning is, but I think that's the wrong interpretation to use. Maybe that's what they were getting at. Maybe they were getting at the Indus Valley civilization. Maybe they were saying that this village was akin to the earliest villages in civilization. I don't know - none of them really ring true to both the facts and traditional usage though.
I wish they'd left out the entire "He protected...he saved...he triumphed..." bit from the trailer altogether. It kinda made Indy seem like a superhero, which I think is antithetical to the character's spirit. He's a man who gets beaten up and dirty and bloody in pursuit of these relics, and is iconic enough to forego the "intro" those three montages provided.
Instead of being all cool with their wording, they could have just gone simple...
He found the Lost Ark of the Covenant
He witnessed the power of the Shankara Stones
He drank from the Holy Grail
And on May 22nd...
Lol. True. True.
Sorry to interrupt but I thought the slogans were not movie specific. I know they use shots from each film but in all 3 films he did all that stuff.
The divine - Ark, Stones + Grail
and in protecting them saved civilisation as a whole. Plus "armies" of evil implies plurality (it's a word) and the Nazi's were just one army. The other army is possibly the Thugee?
I wish they'd left out the entire "He protected...he saved...he triumphed..." bit from the trailer altogether. It kinda made Indy seem like a superhero, which I think is antithetical to the character's spirit. He's a man who gets beaten up and dirty and bloody in pursuit of these relics, and is iconic enough to forego the "intro" those three montages provided.
He's a survivor. . . .
[ . . .and if the survivor theme had been selected for the beginning of the Trailer, then just think: we could've had different opening music and instead of all these posters falling over themselves asking about the Children of Dune music, we could have all these people asking what is this Eye of the Tiger song.]
Clearly, the phrases correspond to the visual cues presented in the trailer. The ToD segment centers on the children he rescued. It's not saying India is the cradle of civilization. It's suggesting that Indy saved the children and the civilization would survive into the next generation.
And in the quest for the Grail, Indy did triumph over Hitler.
just being "smart" here 
