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Old 06-20-2008, 03:33 AM   #1
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Indy who in the hell did mutt stab?

maybe a deleted scene,could shia labeouf of put that blade to use at least once? from the looks of this pic he did

http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4...ens/ij4_21.jpg
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:35 AM   #2
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He tried to slit his own wrists when he heard about the upcoming Tarzan scene
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:39 AM   #3
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He tried to slit his own wrists when he heard about the upcoming Tarzan scene

oh god..the horror.very much un-needed scene
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:39 AM   #4
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I'm guessing it was against one of the cemetery warriors. A lot of stuff was shot but didn't make it into the film. I remember we saw a production shot of Indy using his whip against one of the Akatar warriors, which doesn't happen in the movie.

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Old 06-20-2008, 05:08 AM   #5
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According to this: http://forums.superherohype.com/arch...1721-p-43.html He threw the knife at a cemetery warrior's arm.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:24 AM   #6
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There was a production shot of a Cemetery Warrior brandishing Mutt's switchblade. Spielberg cut nastiness because it would have scared all the eight-year-olds...
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Old 06-20-2008, 08:49 AM   #7
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Would've been nice if we could've seen some of those back in the movie. Maybe in another 20 years Lucas will want them back and say he only got the movie Steven wanted the first time around.
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Old 06-20-2008, 09:04 AM   #8
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That actually wasn't a production shot. That waas Shia contemplating slitting his own neck when he hears of bad this film is.
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:47 PM   #9
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That actually wasn't a production shot. That waas Shia contemplating slitting his own neck when he hears of bad this film is.

that joke sucked compared to the wrist slitting
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:52 PM   #10
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oh god..the horror.very much un-needed scene
Give me a break, that scene was awsome.
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:55 PM   #11
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"we cant' have it be too violent..................."




I'll take indy throwing a giant skewer into a chinese gangster anyday!!!!!


cs was soft soft soft!!!!!!!
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:58 PM   #12
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What would of been wrong with Mutt slashing a guys arm? It is PG-13 remember............ Parents Strongly Cautioned




The movie should of been PG
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:24 PM   #13
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I don't know what the point was of giving him the knife in the first place if he never got to use it?! By showing us how proficient he was with twirling it around, they alluded that we would have at least a scene where he'd actually used it in a fight.

Can you imagine if Indy just carried his whip around, and instead of using it to fight with or swing from point a to b, he just pulled it out every once and a while to just practice a few lashes? LOL
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:28 PM   #14
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I don't know what the point was of giving him the knife in the first place if he never got to use it?! By showing us how proficient he was with twirling it around, they alluded that we would have at least a scene where he'd actually used it in a fight.

Can you imagine if Indy just carried his whip around, and instead of using it to fight with or swing from point a to b, he just pulled it out every once and a while to just practice a few lashes? LOL

Mutt's knife seems to be the same case as Indy's gun in CS. At least Indy got to point it.

I'm sure the little stab scene was so intense Spielberg had to cut it not to scare the little 8 year olds. If only he would've known that most of them probably ran home after the film to play GTA 4.

This whole thread reminds me when i was a little kid and when the Ninja Turtle films were released they all just carried their weapons and never used them.
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:35 PM   #15
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Mutt should have savagely combed Spalko's hair to death. Makes much more sense.
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Old 06-20-2008, 09:26 PM   #16
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According to the book, he stabs a cemetary warrior. Mutt admits that he never used the switchblade on anyone before. I would have kept that in though it is quite a solemn moment for Mutt coz he actually stabs someone, but he doesn't seem to be thinking about it so much when he duels Spalko.
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Old 06-21-2008, 02:13 AM   #17
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Even in the jr novel(aimed at kids) it mentions that Mutt had never used the switchblade before yet it was cut from the film.

Now for the ood part most of the toys that are of Mutt either have him with said switchblad or his sword but those are just for "show"
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Old 06-21-2008, 03:47 AM   #18
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No-one, I believe is the answer to this thread's question. This first time I saw that photo I thought it looked like gold, not blood, and still do. Look at the background ... those are the carved walls of Akator. Mutt's face is one of awe, as if looking at something that suspends his belief. This would also tie in with the City Of Gold legend, that being the 'aliens' brought the magic of alchemy to Earth with them and at some point Mutt stumbles across a 'gold making device' in Akator and tests it out by dipping his knife into it. This would also explain the very definitive, straight line between the silver of the regular blade and the transformed tip (which is gold).
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Old 06-21-2008, 04:05 AM   #19
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According to the book, he stabs a cemetary warrior. Mutt admits that he never used the switchblade on anyone before. I would have kept that in though it is quite a solemn moment for Mutt coz he actually stabs someone, but he doesn't seem to be thinking about it so much when he duels Spalko.

See... that right there is the most interesting thing about Mutt that we could've heard and developed on. KOTCS missed the mark here and what really sucks is they obviously even HAD the idea in mind whilst shooting.

Tsk tsk tsk.

This would've been great if the film had focused on Mutt's tough-guy image being revealed to Indy as a front and that he never did anything like that before but Indy obviously has. Then by the time he fights Spalko... he has "grown up" into a much more Indy-like tough guy.

This would've been a lot more interesting. And it's a shame they didn't do that.
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Old 06-21-2008, 02:38 PM   #20
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This would've been great if the film had focused on Mutt's tough-guy image being revealed to Indy as a front and that he never did anything like that before but Indy obviously has. Then by the time he fights Spalko... he has "grown up" into a much more Indy-like tough guy.

Yes, but..."by the time he fights Spalko"? You're talking about a matter of hours. How would that be any more realistic?

I think it's clear that Indy knows exactly what is going on with Mutt, as evidenced by the way he talks to him in the diner: "You don't have to get sore all the time just to prove how tough you are. Sit down. Please."

It's equally clear that Mutt isn't quite as capable as Indy (ie. shaking in the cemetery), and realizes he has seriously underestimated the '80-year-old' man: "You're a...a teacher?"
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:56 AM   #21
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See... that right there is the most interesting thing about Mutt that we could've heard and developed on. KOTCS missed the mark here and what really sucks is they obviously even HAD the idea in mind whilst shooting.

Tsk tsk tsk.

This would've been great if the film had focused on Mutt's tough-guy image being revealed to Indy as a front and that he never did anything like that before but Indy obviously has. Then by the time he fights Spalko... he has "grown up" into a much more Indy-like tough guy.

This would've been a lot more interesting. And it's a shame they didn't do that.

I think that's a brilliant idea, but maybe Indy should have just called him out on it. After Mutt stabs the cemetary warrior, he's in shock from what he has done so Indy says something to drive the reality of the situation into Mutt's head -they're not playing around- and then Indy later repeats it before the big chase and fight with Spalko and company to remind Mutt; and this is the source of Mutt's sincere fight with Spalko.

It would have been the most serious part of the movie, but I think the film could benefit from that. It would have added to Mutt's character and also a little more of a sense of urgency, kind of like the part in LC when Henry Sr. is sitting in the sidecar of the motorcycle and is impressing upon Indy (I don't remember exactly what he says) how dangerous the grail would be in the nazis' hands and why it's so important to stop them.

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Old 02-13-2012, 09:09 AM   #22
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Mutt's knife seems to be the same case as Indy's gun in CS. At least Indy got to point it.
Shame really, seems they emasculated everyone on the film...
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Old 03-29-2012, 04:36 AM   #23
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I don't know what the point was of giving him the knife in the first place if he never got to use it?! By showing us how proficient he was with twirling it around, they alluded that we would have at least a scene where he'd actually used it in a fight.

Can you imagine if Indy just carried his whip around, and instead of using it to fight with or swing from point a to b, he just pulled it out every once and a while to just practice a few lashes? LOL

Perhaps, but when the other scenes of Mutt twirling his knife were shot, they were still planning on having it used in combat. Presumably the Beards decided during the editing process to omit those moments, for whatever reason... and I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with wanting not to scare 8-year-olds. There's plenty of other stuff in the movie that's "scarier" than that, anyway (Spalko's demise, for one).

Remember, there's all sorts of other material that gets cut out of these movies, too, even when we think it might have really benefitted the movies for the deleted moments to stay in, not just with this movie but with all four - Stanforth's "young man" dialogue with Indy, Indy's sub ride, Shorty's discovery of the effects of burning on Kali "sleepers," Indy's observations about Hindus not eating meat, and so on. Quite possibly it was just cut for time. I seriously don't think there was some sort of conscious effort by the filmmakers to make this latest Indy adventure the first one ever in which Indy doesn't shoot anyone, say, or in which his companions don't kill. I can see the older Spielberg and Lucas' sensibilities perhaps playing some role, but I don't think they were specifically trying to make a markedly "softer" movie.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:50 AM   #24
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I think blowing the poison dart backwards down the cemetery warriors throat is a much better idea and way more cruel/badass than just shooting at this son of a *****.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:21 AM   #25
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Mutt carrying the knife around was as pointless as him bringing his motorcycle to Peru. BOTH should have been used-- the motorcycle should have been used in the jungle chase sequence, and yes, Mutt should have used the knife to at LEAST threaten a bad guy (though I like the previous suggestions about him having a coming-of-age experience after stabbing somebody.)
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