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Old 05-14-2008, 01:30 PM   #151
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Maybe a little off topic...

This doesn't have anything to do with the CGI, but it does have something to do with Indy showing on TV. prior to the most recent VHS release of the series, did anyone else seem to notice that Indy says something like, "What, did they think I was dumb?" Right before he jams his whip in bottom of the truck and gets dragged behind it? It seems like I could only hear it on the TV versions prior to those new VHS releases.
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Old 05-14-2008, 01:53 PM   #152
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YES!!! I had always noticed that!

Back in the '90s whenever I saw Raiders on TV, I always heard that line added, though I think he actually said "What, do they think I'm stupid?" as he jams the whip handle into the undercarriage. And it sounded like Harrison Ford, so it must have been an ADR line that was later dumped from the film but then put back for the TV version. Another addition to that scene is the sound of breaking glass when the big German swings down through the driver's-side door, which is funny because the window was open already! But it was the same breaking glass sound effect heard from when Indy's thrown through the windshield moments later.

However, both of these added elements have since disappeared. I haven't heard them in any TV airings since the late-90s.
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Old 05-14-2008, 01:57 PM   #153
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It's good to hear I'm not Crazy. I wonder if they added those lines to distinguish a pirated copy or something. Just a thought that came to me as I thought over the line and now CGI.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:01 PM   #154
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I don't remember ever hearing this line...
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:09 PM   #155
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That's pretty amazing guys! I've never heard about this before. Network broadcasts of movies
do sometimes tend to differ from the theatrical versions. The ones I can think of off-hand are
"King Kong" (1976), "First Blood" & "Excalibur".

Now, I want this!
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:17 PM   #156
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I know someone had brought it up here about 6 years ago I think. I tried to respond to it when i finally decided to join a couple weeks ago. (lol, yeah i'm a little slow with the joining. ) However, I was unsuccessful at finding the old post.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:37 PM   #157
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Why cant people just leave movies alone to how they were released?
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:32 PM   #158
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Why cant people just leave movies alone to how they were released?

Because sometimes it's way too tempting to go back and "fix" something.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:57 PM   #159
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Why cant people just leave movies alone to how they were released?

You know, in a way, I can see their personal reasons. In 1998 I made two shorts for some college film classes, but I was never satisfied with how they turned out because I had to rush the post-production to meet the project deadlines. (One in particular was just a mess to begin with, qualitywise, because of certain settings on the editing deck I was unaware of.) In 2004 I completely reedited them, almost starting from scratch. I trimmed some stuff here, added some bits here, and redid all the titles and music. Then in 2005 I again went back and tweaked a couple things here and there, then I said, "Okay, that's it. Now they're finished."

So I can certainly see the filmmakers' POV on this issue. But at the same time, when it's as groundbreaking a film as Star Wars was, I think it's wrong to try and "erase" the previous film from existence and pretend it never existed and deny people the opportunity to still have those versions. Spielberg still lets us have the original 1982 version of E.T., and Ridley Scott lets us have all five(!) versions of Blade Runner. There's no reason Lucas can't do the same, and I just don't understand his reasoning.

Just my two cents.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:19 PM   #160
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You know, in a way, I can see their personal reasons. In 1998 I made two shorts for some college film classes, but I was never satisfied with how they turned out because I had to rush the post-production to meet the project deadlines. (One in particular was just a mess to begin with, qualitywise, because of certain settings on the editing deck I was unaware of.) In 2004 I completely reedited them, almost starting from scratch. I trimmed some stuff here, added some bits here, and redid all the titles and music. Then in 2005 I again went back and tweaked a couple things here and there, then I said, "Okay, that's it. Now they're finished."

So I can certainly see the filmmakers' POV on this issue. But at the same time, when it's as groundbreaking a film as Star Wars was, I think it's wrong to try and "erase" the previous film from existence and pretend it never existed and deny people the opportunity to still have those versions. Spielberg still lets us have the original 1982 version of E.T., and Ridley Scott lets us have all five(!) versions of Blade Runner. There's no reason Lucas can't do the same, and I just don't understand his reasoning.

Just my two cents.

Yeah I made a short film and continually tweaked it for a year. But the Indy films really shouldn't need tweaked except for their bad bluescreen.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:21 PM   #161
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Just a side note: Lucas digitally changed only one shot in American Graffiti, so this isn't that unusual. The new dvds are from the old 2003 source, but a newer HD master might be at least partly done, even if the blurays don't come out his year. (remember we saw clips of all three in sharp new HD in the Crystal Skull teaser trailer)
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Old 05-17-2008, 07:28 PM   #162
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When Raiders was on Sci Fi today, did it have the special edition truck chase?
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Old 05-17-2008, 08:16 PM   #163
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I saw it just a little while ago, and yup, it was there. Am hoping somebody watched to record it and post it in here.
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Old 05-17-2008, 08:19 PM   #164
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Yeah, the SCIFI Raiders HD showing had the new shot. It's on the same channel again at 1 PM tomorrow (Sunday). I recorded it but as I don't have the equipment to transfer said recording to PC it's a bit useless....
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Old 05-18-2008, 12:33 PM   #165
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Take a photo of the tv set!
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Old 05-18-2008, 02:05 PM   #166
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Okay, I recorded it with my digital camera. I'm uploading it to YouTube now. Excuse the part when I say, "That is different." It was more subtle than I anticipated. I wonder if that's the only change and why it wasn't on the new DVD. Maybe it will wait for the BluRay release.
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Old 05-18-2008, 02:20 PM   #167
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I just saw the scene on Sci-Fi now. It is pretty cool. I liked it alot. Kinda looked like the tatooine scenes from Star Wars Attack of the Clones.

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Old 05-18-2008, 02:24 PM   #168
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Here is a classic south park episode that explains it all


http://www.allabout-sp.net/?p=season6/609





Lets redo Raiders Of The Lost Ark! lol
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:08 PM   #169
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Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0F-qqaNnjI

The quality's not great. I'll reload it later.

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Old 05-18-2008, 03:21 PM   #170
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Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0F-qqaNnjI

The quality's not great. I'll reload it later.


Finally some proof! It's definitely different; I'm not sure if I like the change or not.
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:24 PM   #171
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Apparently this is not the only change made. In "Temple", the matte painting where Indy asks Shorty where his razor is is also CGI.
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:29 PM   #172
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Higher quality photos taken with a digital camera:
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:39 PM   #173
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Sorry guys, but that aint a new change. It's been there since the 2004 DVDs came out.

They tweaked a load of things for that.
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:41 PM   #174
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Sorry guys, but that aint a new change. It's been there since the 2004 DVDs came out.

They tweaked a load of things for that.
Then why are my 2007 DVDs still featuring the old shot?
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:43 PM   #175
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Maybe they changed things for a third time then.
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