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I liked Anything Goes from TOD better.
But I was thinking perhaps the reason is because...the first time I ever heard the song Anything Goes it was from TOD. And the first time I heard Hound Dog was, well about 1,000,000 times before KOTCS. And not only that, when I think of Hound Dog I picture Elvis and when I think of Anything Goes I picture Willie Scott.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sartorius
you knew right away this was the 50s.
And then they would do something else to say, we're still in the 50's. Then 5 minutes later, they would do something else to say, we're still in the 50's. Then 5 minutes later, they would do something else to say, we're still in the 50's. Then 5 minutes later, they would do something else to say, we're still in the 50's. Then 5 minutes later, they would do something else to say, we're still in the 50's. Not to mention it says 1957 at the beginning.
After an hour I was like, FINE we're in the fifties! We don't need to incorporate every single 50 esque thing into this film. From campaign slogans, to malt shops, to jukeboxes, to Howdy Doody, and Everly Brothers etc etc etc. There is one thing to being accurate to the time period and then forcing things into the story that aren't necessary is another.
Enough about that, but still I think Anything Goes is a better song and a better scene. Not to say that Elvis and the racing teens isn't good too.
Racing teens which coincidentally said, just letting you know we are in the 50's in case you didn't catch that from the music.
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You're joking, right?
And the Hound Dog use was entirely a contrivance. Just disgusting.
"Hound Dog" was incredibly appropriate. It sets the time era of the film but does much more. It essentially picks up where we left off in "Last Crusade", where in the final scene we learn that Indy was named after the dog. And of course it sets up the story for Mutt. Furthermore, the lyrics "never caught a rabbit" reflect Indy's adventuring in that he has little to show for his efforts. The opening was one of the strongest parts of the film and the use of "Hound Dog" worked on many levels.
"Hound Dog" was incredibly appropriate. It sets the time era of the film but does much more. It essentially picks up where we left off in "Last Crusade", where in the final scene we learn that Indy was named after the dog. And of course it sets up the story for Mutt. Furthermore, the lyrics "never caught a rabbit" reflect Indy's adventuring in that he has little to show for his efforts. The opening was one of the strongest parts of the film and the use of "Hound Dog" worked on many levels.
Contrivance? Bull****, sir.
Sets the time? You mean like the vehicles, the poodle skirts, the drag racing, the aliens, the Russians and Area 51, the atomic bomb, the I Like Ike, all within the first 10 minutes? And then the diner fight 10 minutes later? Are you that dense that you need the tone and time set for you THAT OFTEN. It was a contrivance. None of the other films harped so heavily on the era in which it was set. Once Anything Goes is over, we're in India within 5 minutes and firmly divorced of all references to the era. KOCKS piles it on from second one with that annoyingly cheeky song and then the other cheeky references one after another.
Now maybe you're just so slow as to need to be clued in... that.. many... times...
But for the rest of us? It was pretty much beating a dead horse.
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"Hound Dog" was incredibly appropriate. It sets the time era of the film but does much more. It essentially picks up where we left off in "Last Crusade", where in the final scene we learn that Indy was named after the dog. And of course it sets up the story for Mutt. Furthermore, the lyrics "never caught a rabbit" reflect Indy's adventuring in that he has little to show for his efforts. The opening was one of the strongest parts of the film and the use of "Hound Dog" worked on many levels.
Contrivance? Bull****, sir.
While this is very true. I think that giving SS and GL credit that they purposely chose this song for that reason is giving them a little too much credit. However, I did think it quite coincidental that "You ain't nothing but a hound dog..." plays at the exact moment a prairie dog pops out of it's mound. So if anything, the song was more a tribute to that prairie dog than anyone else.
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Sets the time? You mean like the vehicles, the poodle skirts, the drag racing, the aliens, the Russians and Area 51, the atomic bomb, the I Like Ike, all within the first 10 minutes? And then the diner fight 10 minutes later? Are you that dense that you need the tone and time set for you THAT OFTEN. It was a contrivance. None of the other films harped so heavily on the era in which it was set. Once Anything Goes is over, we're in India within 5 minutes and firmly divorced of all references to the era. KOCKS piles it on from second one with that annoyingly cheeky song and then the other cheeky references one after another.
We must be on the same page. I agree with this man, reference my previous posts to this thread. The audience, well at least ResidentAlien and myself, don't need to be reminded over and over and over and over and over that we are in the 50's. We got the hint the first time!
They're not even remotely contextually similar. We're talking diagetic vs. non-diagetic music.
And the Hound Dog use was entirely a contrivance. Just disgusting.
No question, Temple had a better opening.
Contextually... "Anything Goes" was certainly a better application/realization of a piece of music… although I found it to be twee, childish and unfortunately it set the tone for how TOD would depart from Raiders.
Contextually... "Anything Goes" was certainly a better application/realization of a piece of music… although I found it to be twee, childish and unfortunately it set the tone for how TOD would depart from Raiders.
You still don't get it.
Diagetic vs. Non-diagetic (also spelled diegetic). Go read some film theory.
Temple's opening features Diagetic sound. KOCKS has Non-diagetic sound. Very different.
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Contextually... "Anything Goes"...unfortunately it set the tone for how TOD would depart from Raiders.
Yes, and I would agree also that Hound Dog did the same at the beginning of KOTCS to set a tone what would depart from all of the other Indiana Jones movies.
Diagetic vs. Non-diagetic (also spelled diegetic). Go read some film theory.
Temple's opening features Diagetic sound. KOCKS has Non-diagetic sound. Very different.
Oh I get it fine... (although the TOD opening is not strictly either is it?) but what has that got to do with the fact that the opening musical number to TOD was ridiculous? I still find it hard to believe... an Indiana Jones movie had an opening musical number.
Oh I get it fine... (although the TOD opening is not strictly either is it?) but what has that got to do with the fact that the opening musical number to TOD was ridiculous? I still find it hard to believe... an Indiana Jones movie had an opening musical number.
Diegesis... a narrative function. It served a narrative function. In KOCKS... sure... it served a narrative function... ad nauseum. And what's with a found score in an Indiana Jones movie? That's the most irritating part in my mind; it's a pop song for the sake of a pop song.
I would have used no song to open it; get out of this damned Tarantino contrivance where everything has to reference something. Where's originality gone?
I don't have much of a problem with Skull's opening. It's zippy enough, but there's no comparison when it comes to the choice of music. Hound Dog is, predictable or not, merely a song on a radio. Anything Goes is an all-out, full-blooded musical number.
Diegesis... a narrative function. It served a narrative function. In KOCKS... sure... it served a narrative function... ad nauseum. And what's with a found score in an Indiana Jones movie? That's the most irritating part in my mind; it's a pop song for the sake of a pop song.
I would have used no song to open it; get out of this damned Tarantino contrivance where everything has to reference something. Where's originality gone?
Well I agree with you that you don't have to push everything down an audiences throat to make them "get it"... but personally, I found the use of an Elvis track to be a simpler and more subtle way to conjure up the early 1950's. The inclusion of "Anything Goes" and the Busby Berkeley musical number seems a lot more gratuitous and forced (regardless of how much fun Lucas and Spielberg may have had putting it together).
However - Yes, I agree that they could have not used the track at all...
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I don't have much of a problem with Skull's opening. It's zippy enough, but there's no comparison when it comes to the choice of music. Hound Dog is, predictable or not, merely a song on a radio. Anything Goes is an all-out, full-blooded musical number.
Yep - A musical number in an Indy movie. At least KOTCS never sunk that low
Yep - A musical number in an Indy movie. At least KOTCS never sunk that low
Since the film became a literal farce* once in Peru, it would have shocked nobody if this little ditty had popped up during the 'jungle' 'chase'...
*A mockery and a total spoof of Indiana Jones. Why not have Leslie Nielsen as Indy, Priscilla Presley as Marion and O.J. Simpson as Mutt? Granted, though, giving him access to stabbing implements may not have been the safest decision...
Since the film became a literal farce* once in Peru, it would have shocked nobody if this little ditty had popped up during the 'jungle' 'chase'...
*A mockery and a total spoof of Indiana Jones. Why not have Leslie Nielsen as Indy, Priscilla Presley as Marion and O.J. Simpson as Mutt? Granted, though, giving him access to stabbing implements may not have been the safest decision...
Yep - That certainly would have been in keeping with TOD.
Contextually... "Anything Goes" was certainly a better application/realization of a piece of music… although I found it to be twee, childish and unfortunately it set the tone for how TOD would depart from Raiders.
Hmm. Twee? Childish?*
"I exist as a provocateur of intellectual stimulus. Squeak."
*See how hating TOD can only get you into trouble..?
but as like what good ol jonesissparrow there both a tie for me.
