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Old 07-11-2009, 12:31 AM   #1
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Indiana Jones and Marion Ravenwood's Daughter

There is such a term as a menopausal baby.When you think about it,Marion Ravenwood was only 48 in 1957 and some women can still give birth at that age.However,if she would have given birth a little bit later,that baby daughter would have been considered a menopausal baby.There is still the possibility of the daughter being adopted(although,I personally don't think she was adopted),but I just wanted to throw this "menopausal baby" theory out there.So,please tell me what you think.

Indy's daughter can be seen here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRtRc...om=PL&index=33

Indy's Family Tree can be seen here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p54GO1yWRs

Here is a thread called List of Indiana's Relatives from the Bookends: http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=18556

More of this subject found at this thread The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles:http://raven.theraider.net/showthrea...=12432&page=22

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Old 07-11-2009, 01:49 PM   #2
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You've done your homework!
Maybe daughter in law Or maybe he adopted her like Short Round on a adventure.
it's plausable that INdy and Marion could still have a kid but lets sayhis daughter is 40 here then she would be born about...
1992
- 40
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1952

1992 - 40 = 1952



Can that be right before crystal skull?
Still...Give or take 2 years???
Some one help Me!!!

BTW another good unanswered question are they watching Matlock or Hawaii 5-0???
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:35 PM   #3
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There is such a term as a menopausal baby.When you think about it,Marion Ravenwood was only 48 in 1957 and some women can still give birth at that age.However,if she would have given birth a little bit later,that baby daughter would have been considered a menopausal baby.There is still the possibility of the daughter being adopted(although,I personally don't think she was adopted),but I just wanted to throw this "menopausal baby" theory out there.So,please tell me what you think.

Indy's daughter can be seen here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRtRc...om=PL&index=33

Indy's Family Tree can be seen here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p54GO1yWRs

Here is a thread called List of Indiana's Relatives from the Bookends: http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=18556

More of this subject found at this thread The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles:http://raven.theraider.net/showthrea...=12432&page=22

so confusing!
none of those people are a part of the canon anymore practically
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Old 07-14-2009, 06:43 PM   #4
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If you watch Indy's Family Tree ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p54GO1yWRs ),be sure to watch 4:02 of the video,pause it,enlarge it to full size of the screen,and then please let me know what you think of that part of the video.

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Old 07-15-2009, 04:41 AM   #5
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If you watch Indy's Family Tree ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p54GO1yWRs ),be sure to watch 4:02 of the video,pause it,enlarge it to full size of the screen,and then please let me know what you think of that part of the video.

Or you could, you know, upload the family tree to imageshack or some such and then post it back here.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:24 AM   #6
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so confusing!
none of those people are a part of the canon anymore practically

Can't we say that KOTCS isn't part of the canon anymore? Pretty please?
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Old 07-18-2009, 12:47 AM   #7
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Or you could, you know, upload the family tree to imageshack or some such and then post it back here.


I don't know how to do that,because I've never done it before.Sorry,I can be such a blond sometimes.
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:55 PM   #8
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I just don't find it plausible that Indy has a daughter. She's too young to be married to Mutt. I guess if she was born right after KOTCS in '58 it would fit her age, but I can't imagine Indy and Marion wanting to have another kid at such an old age. Plus, if the bookends where taken out then that probably means they're not canon anymore (that is, if you consider YIJC canon in the first place).
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Old 07-18-2009, 09:26 PM   #9
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^ If the bookends aren't canon anymore, then why hasn't the Indycron dismissed it?

Personally, I do count YIJC as canon and I'd like to think of the Old Indy Bookends as canon also. I certainly am not about to argue on the validity of the series as a whole on the canon issue as we have been down that road before, and it certainly wasn't pretty....
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Old 07-18-2009, 11:57 PM   #10
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umm Dayne just a question if you dont like young Indy why are you on the forum?
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Old 07-20-2009, 02:37 PM   #11
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well canon or not the yijc were very nice , but with george lucas taking out the old indy scenes from the dvd sets maybe he wanted to delete all that from the canon, and just have the adventures themselves be just that the main stories --- much as i loved the old crusty jones telling the stories , but that is just my opinion, everyone will be entitled to their own also --- but i myself will just consider the dvd sets as canon without the old indy scenes .
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:07 PM   #12
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I agree. I never liked the Old Indy bookends. Sorry, but cant imagine the Indy from Raiders through to Skull turning into that dotty old Grandpa Simpson type man. I was quite happy to see them removed from the DVD sets to be honest, so long as the Harrison one was left in.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:50 PM   #13
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Indy's daughter can be seen here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRtRc...om=PL&index=33

Indy's Family Tree can be seen here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p54GO1yWRs

Here is a thread called List of Indiana's Relatives from the Bookends: http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=18556

More of this subject found at this thread The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles:http://raven.theraider.net/showthrea...=12432&page=22
Hey, Annie, for further in-depth discussions on the subject, here are the "biggies":

Indy has a daughter?
Indy should have a daughter
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Old 07-22-2009, 07:32 PM   #14
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That is interesting on how in that series Indy has a daughter, and in the film he has a son. I wonder if that was the main reason they cut George Hall off the YIJC rereleases. I really wished they didn't because I haven't seen all of them, and it would have been really interesting to see Indy reacting to a daughter in the movies too. I have a few ideas about it,
1. It's Marion's and Indy has no clue
2. It's Indy's and Willie's long lost daughter
3. Indy and Marion have the kid together right after Crystal Skull.
Those are just my theories.
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Old 07-23-2009, 02:02 PM   #15
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I think we can / should consider the original bookends canon unless and until some new official story (a new movie, a licensed novel, whatever) comes out that irreconcilably contradicts them in some way. Given that, while it might be unlikely Indy would have a daughter of the apparent age shown in the show, as long as it's still possible I don't have a problem with it, and there's ample room for possibility, as shown in this very thread.

(Certainly any Indy fan who has a problem with portrayals of anything unlikely is going to have an awful lot more to worry about in the Indy mythos than just whether he has a daughter or not... )
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Old 07-24-2009, 03:32 PM   #16
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I personally,wish they would have kept old Indy and his daughter in there.She more than likely would have been born after Indy and Marion were married because of her age(she more than likely was born between 1958 and 1959)and did anyone even read about my "menopausal baby" theory? I mentioned that,because I just wanted to know what people thought about that idea.

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Old 07-28-2009, 02:16 AM   #17
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umm Dayne just a question if you dont like young Indy why are you on the forum?

But I never said I didn't like The Chronicles. In fact, I own the first two volumes on DVD. I just meant that I don't really consider them canon with the movies, that's all. But I do find them enjoyable from a historic point of view! I hope that answers you're query
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http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/I...i:Canon_policy
Cannon or No?

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No one has anything!

No one has done there homework on this or that?
Delete first two posts please Mods!
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:16 AM   #19
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Daughter?????

Have you ever thought that she could be Muttís twin sister and Marion just didnít tell Indy in the KOTCS since he was just hit with having a son. Maybe in all of the confusion, she just didnít have time to tell him. Maybe she was in the church at the wedding? Maybe she was over seas and couldnít make the wedding. Maybe she is Marionís daughter from her first marriage and Indy adopted her. Maybe that is Muttís wife and she just calls Indy Dad? If you think like a writer, there is always a way to make anything fit whatever you want it to fit.
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Have you ever thought that she could be Muttís twin sister and Marion just didnít tell Indy in the KOTCS since he was just hit with having a son. Maybe in all of the confusion, she just didnít have time to tell him. Maybe she was in the church at the wedding? Maybe she was over seas and couldnít make the wedding. Maybe she is Marionís daughter from her first marriage and Indy adopted her.
Hi, Jack. She is too young for any of these possibilities and there are no kids at the wedding (apart from Mutt).
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Maybe that is Muttís wife and she just calls Indy Dad? If you think like a writer, there is always a way to make anything fit whatever you want it to fit.
Yes, that has been suggested before by a few people (including myself) in one of "daughter" threads I linked to on Page 1.

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Old 10-09-2009, 02:44 PM   #21
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Maybe that is Mutt’s wife and she just calls Indy Dad? If you think like a writer, there is always a way to make anything fit whatever you want it to fit.

If she were married to Mutt,she would be an awfully young wife.She was probably born,because of her age,between 1958 and 1959.Which when you think about it,it still makes her the right age to be their(Indy and Marion's)child.

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Old 10-13-2009, 11:02 AM   #22
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Maybe she was Mutt's daughter who was raised by her grandparents, Marion and Indy, after her father went missing in the Himalayas.

Growing up, she naturally called her grandparents "Mom" and "Dad."
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You should look at a thread called,Indiana jones ancestry http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=13510 where Adamwankenobi put the following.
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Alright, I've put together a family tree of all of Indy's known family members, based on the films and TV series (I include Henry Sr.'s unseen/unmentioned father and mother for illustrative purposes):

Henry Sr.'s father (let's call him "Walton") ---- Henry Sr.'s mother
|---------------------------|---------------------------------|
| |
Henry Walton Jones, Sr. ---- Anna Jones Grace -- unnamed American husband
|----------|------------------------| |
| | Frank
Henry Walton Jones, Jr. --- Marion Ravenwood Susie Jones
| |
unnamed daughter Mutt Williams
| | |
Spike Lucy Caroline Jones
| |
Annie Jones Harry Jones


Anna mentions Indy's "Uncle Pete" in the "Peking, March 1910" episode, but she isn't specific as to which side of the family this uncle is on.

Also, you probably noticed that I threw in a bit of speculation. I base it on this: In the "Ireland, April 1916" episode, Indy's daughter mentions "Lucy", which I assume is her own daughter. And the "Chicago, May 1916" episode that aired in the UK shows the same daughter from the "Ireland, April 1916" episode being the mother of Spike, who calls Indy "grandpa". So we have Indy's daughter, who is mother to Lucy and Spike, who are in turn two of Indy's grandchildren.

Also the "Peking, March 1910" episode shows Indy at Thanksgiving dinner with his family, during which his granddaughter Caroline and great-grandchildren Annie and Harry are shown. From this I infer that Indy has another offspring, which I'm gonna say is Mutt Williams, who would be father to Caroline and grandfather to Annie and Harry.

And of course, I'm assuming that Indy and Marion get together in KOTCS or sometime after.

Then I put this:
I have a new theory about this family tree thing.In the end credits of the episodes with old Indy's daughter and Spike in it,it doesn't say Spike Jones,it just says Spike,which means old Indy's daughter's maiden name is Jones and her married name is something else.
In the episodes with Caroline,Annie,and Harry,the end credits say Caroline Jones,Annie Jones,and Harry Jones,which means Caroline's maiden name is not Jones,but her married name is Jones.That would mean Caroline is married to a Jones and therefore not Mutt's daughter,but daughter-in-law and that means Mutt had a son.

So,here is a revised version of The Family Tree:

Henry Walton Jones, Sr. ---- Anna Jones                  
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Henry Walton Jones, Jr. --- Marion Ravenwood
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Mutt Williams----Mutt's wife unnamed daughter
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son----Caroline(wife) Spike Lucy
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Annie Jones Harry Jones
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:54 AM   #24
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Well-spotted, Annie. Though I am not somewhat not surprised that it was you who did spot it (though I would have thought Stoo would have seen that in the credits, ).

Since I don't own any original episodes (with the exception of "Curse of the Jackal") with Indy's kids and grandkids, I can't really see for myself.

Now here's the interesting part (of course, I do realise that this is all before KOTCS came out), are we to assume that Mutt adopts the Jones name or does he keep to Williams? Also, and once again, going back to the age old debate in this particular thread, is the un-named daughter or "Susan Daphne" as we have come to call her (thanks to Stoo and an Empire magazine article that took that name from the Indy Wiki), is she an menupausal baby as you have suggested in previous posts or is she an orphan adopted?

The possibility that she is Mutt's wife seems to disappear now in light of the credits.

Probably why old George cut the bookends (which is something I suggested years ago on this board, before KOTCS was even announced).
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If she were married to Mutt,she would be an awfully young wife.She was probably born,because of her age,between 1958 and 1959.Which when you think about it,it still makes her the right age to be their(Indy and Marion's)child.

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Maybe she is Mutt's Daughter and she just calls her granddad, Dad as some peple do???
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