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Old 08-03-2011, 04:37 PM   #1
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Why wouldn't Marion tell Indy she had a son?

Seriously, why wouldn't she?

I'm looking for really good excuses.

It's the main thing that irks me from KOTCS.
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:53 PM   #2
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It could be argued that she simply couldn't bring herself to burst the bubble of happy family life with Colin* and wee Henry. Certain logic to that, albeit deceitful.







*Of course, after he died, turning to Ox for paternal guidance and NOT the actual father is alarming. Did she Indy as that deadbeat a Dad? Hmmm...
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Seriously, why wouldn't she?

I'm looking for really good excuses.

It's the main thing that irks me from KOTCS.

She try to not inflict Mutt on the world!
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How many times are you going to get burned by the same ass? She went for someone more stable, and who knows if sky king knew mutt wasn't his.
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It could be argued that she simply couldn't bring herself to burst the bubble of happy family life with Colin* and wee Henry. Certain logic to that, albeit deceitful.

*Of course, after he died, turning to Ox for paternal guidance and NOT the actual father is alarming. Did she Indy as that deadbeat a Dad? Hmmm...

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How many times are you going to get burned by the same ass? She went for someone more stable, and who knows if sky king knew mutt wasn't his.

Feels odd to find the two of you agreeing, but it's hard to argue with any of this.
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I'm sure there is an essay in here about pre-feminism in the 1930-40's and bastard children, but why she was so cavalier about it in 1957 is beyond me too.

Maybe, as it was said above, Marion didn't want Mutt to have 'Mummy' issues like his dad.
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Old 08-04-2011, 03:27 AM   #7
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She try to not inflict Mutt on the world!

Too late for that... She still gave birth to him.It would have made more sense if she wasn't sure if Mutt was Indy's or Colin's but whatever.
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:54 AM   #8
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Like some others have said. Marion wanted a stable life for herself, and her son. She knew how stir-crazy Indiana was. How he went off to every corner of the world in search of some bit of junk, how he lacked any sort of commitment (remember how she said he dumped her), and after the skyboy, Ox was the safest bet. He may have been boring, but she knew he wouldn't have the same care-free traits as Indy.
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:22 AM   #9
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Like some others have said. Marion wanted a stable life for herself, and her son. She knew how stir-crazy Indiana was. How he went off to every corner of the world in search of some bit of junk, how he lacked any sort of commitment (remember how she said he dumped her), and after the skyboy, Ox was the safest bet. He may have been boring, but she knew he wouldn't have the same care-free traits as Indy.
Then along came a skull...
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:29 AM   #10
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Then along came a skull...


True, but Mutt was a grown man by then. By what Mutt said, Oxley seemed to be a good father figure to have around when he was growing up.
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Old 08-04-2011, 12:25 PM   #11
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Feels odd to find the two of you agreeing, but it's hard to argue with any of this.
I hope my threads can bring people together.

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Like some others have said. Marion wanted a stable life for herself, and her son. She knew how stir-crazy Indiana was. How he went off to every corner of the world in search of some bit of junk, how he lacked any sort of commitment (remember how she said he dumped her), and after the skyboy, Ox was the safest bet. He may have been boring, but she knew he wouldn't have the same care-free traits as Indy.

All valid points, but if he KNEW of Mutt, he may have calmed down on all of his recklessness. And it's the fact that she didn't try that makes it all the worse. She didn't even think he would change if he knew he had a son, what gives Marion, what gives.

And what if he died in WWII ?!! Then Mutt would've never known who he was. Both would've been tremendously sad accounts.
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Old 08-04-2011, 01:04 PM   #12
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Then along came a skull...


No NO NO...you've got the lyrics ALL wrong!

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And then along came Jones
Tall thin Jones
Slow-walkin' Jones
Slow-talkin' Jones
Along came long, lean, lanky Jones

Along Came Jones, by the Coasters
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All valid points, but if he KNEW of Mutt, he may have calmed down on all of his recklessness. And it's the fact that she didn't try that makes it all the worse. She didn't even think he would change if he knew he had a son, what gives Marion, what gives.

And what if he died in WWII ?!! Then Mutt would've never known who he was. Both would've been tremendously sad accounts.

Yeah, but she was burned by Indy. Twice. Why would she expect anything had changed?

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No NO NO...you've got the lyrics ALL wrong!


Along Came Jones, by the Coasters

You know, I'm constantly wondering why this song doesn't come up more frequently around here. I keep looking for an opportunity...

But to return to the topic, I reckon Marion just figured to save the boy from Henry Jones, because Henry's no good to meet.
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Old 08-04-2011, 01:27 PM   #14
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Marion had it in her head that Indy was bad news. He messed up her life at 15, and she ended up as a prostitute at The Raven making ends meet.

She didn't want Indy to have any influence over the bringing up of her son.

However, KOTCS was so sloppy that after a few mock arguments she was all over him again, ending with that soppy marriage.
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Old 08-04-2011, 01:31 PM   #15
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However, KOTCS was so sloppy that after a few mock arguments she was all over him again, ending with that soppy marriage.

And that's what's hard to buy, in light of the rest of it.
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No NO NO...you've got the lyrics ALL wrong! Along Came Jones, by the Coasters

Like the Coasters fine and well, but round here Save The Bones For Henry Jones, really, rings the bell...
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:23 PM   #17
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Gives Jones a chance, let him know. EVERYTHING changes when you got a kid, right?

Montana, you make great points, they just decided to treat their relationship like a Maury Povich episode. You ARE the father.

I'm being too harsh, I really do enjoy KOTCS, just a little bit more respect for the characters is all I wished.
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Gives Jones a chance, let him know. EVERYTHING changes when you got a kid, right?

The number of single-parent households in our culture argues against that.
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The number of single-parent households in our culture argues against that.
I would trust Indy to do the RIGHT thing.
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I would trust Indy to do the RIGHT thing.

Why should Marion? With his track record, why should she?
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Why should Marion? With his track record, why should she?
She shouldn't trust him at all, I agree.

But to not even mention it at all to him is just down right upsetting.

It would've worked better if there was no suspense, that we learn Indy has a son and it's with Marion right from the start, and they finally re-kindle what they had and get back together (sorta how we saw in the film). Granted that would've had to change up some of the plot, but FAMILY-wise, it works better. And character wise, we learn that Indy wasn't absent for the first 18 years.

It's pretty bad to know you have a child and not take care of it and run from the issue, but it's just as bad not telling the actual father that it's his. That's unfair.
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I would trust Indy to do the RIGHT thing.

A grave robbing, cradle robbing, pedestal placing, occultist would do the RIGHT thing...I'm afraid to ask what that would be....
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It's pretty bad to know you have a child and not take care of it and run from the issue, but it's just as bad not telling the actual father that it's his. That's unfair.

She saw, in Colin Williams, an opportunity for her son to have an uninterrupted semblance of a normal family life.

Colin died during the war. She doubtlessly could have heard from somebody - Marcus, perhaps - what Indy was up to. She might well have known he was off in the war. And besides, why introduce such a non-constant presence into the boy's life. If Ox was willing to be a father figure, that's a good thing. Indy would be a bad example.
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If Ox was willing to be a father figure, that's a good thing. Indy would be a bad example.
Ox was a good man for what he did.

But Indy just wasn't given a chance is all I'm saying. And if it's YOUR son, I think you deserve atleast a letter.

But as you and Montana implied that all of her logic of why she didn't just turns to rubbish in the final act of the movie.
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Ox was a good man for what he did.

But Indy just wasn't given a chance is all I'm saying. And if it's YOUR son, I think you deserve atleast a letter.

I get that. But Indy's unreliable, and known for picking up and getting on a plane at the drop of a hat. Not only does that mean he'd probably be a bad father, it means he shouldn't know that he even is a father, so he doesn't destroy the stable life Marion was trying to create for her son.

After all, Marion herself was dragged around the world by her father searching for "pieces of junk," and she clearly didn't like it. Why would she want to introduce her son not only to the same instability, but to the same sort of father?
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