Location: The Host City of the 2018 Commonwealth Games, Australia
Posts: 3,158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mungi
So there wasn't any real information about another movie in this record, right? And that was what we had to wait for? Or did I miss something?
I'm thinking about staying away from this forum for a while, just to come back and see if anything has changed...
You did hear my report after the Q&A panel recording right?
Due to circumstances, I was only able to ask the said question when I got her autograph- and yeah, like I said she didn't use the words, "germ of an idea"- instead, it seemed to me, she's hearing from the same sources.
And I wasn't about to give away anything- have to keep listeners hooked for it somehow.
Interesting quote. I hope Lucas secretly gets someone else to come up with a good idea. He could easily pay them for doing so and pretend it was his own. And then get Larry to flesh it out.
Interesting quote. I hope Lucas secretly gets someone else to come up with a good idea. He could easily pay them for doing so and pretend it was his own. And then get Larry to flesh it out.
Like that time he paid a guy to write that novel for him...
Based on KOTCS it would be safer if Spielberg also took a back seat. They're both regressing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen Allen
"They keep trying to find a story as good as [Raiders]. We'll see what happens with the next one."
Sounds like they're going to be trying for some while yet.
To say "We'll see what happens with the next one?" is another open-ended response: what happens with the next one could be that it's ditched completely and never sees the light of day.
This is the double-speak that these, who hope to be involved, are forced to engage in. They're in the uncomfortable position of talking up a project that hasn't yet been confirmed as certain.
Do you have any inside word about the next Indiana Jones film?
Your guess is as good as mine – as far as I know there’s one in the works. They’re currently trying to write the script, there’s an idea that they all really like – but Harrison, George and Steven all have to approve. It has to be finished and approved but I hope it does happen. I’d love to be a part of it.
Can we kidnap Jar Jar and hold him for ransom? Where does he live? I know he is precious enough for George to give us the Indy 5 scoop we want in return for the Binks' safe return.
They need to do this. Just get one out like LC was the apology for TOD. Let Indy out go out with a real bang...Something at least on par with LC. Something traditional.
Meanwhile it's time, that Harrison should tell his friends George and Steven what he is thinking about the Indy-process-standstill, like he did it around 2006.
I don't know exactly his words, but it was a clear and definite statement (something like: "Now or forget it!")
He's our last hope
(And - No,there is no otherone[who is capable to play Indiana Jones])
Is there any truth to the rumors about another Indiana Jones film?
We have an interesting starting point now with Indy and Marion married with a grown son. But until they have a script where everyone is in agreement, it won’t be done.
Is there any truth to the rumors about another Indiana Jones film?
We have an interesting starting point now with Indy and Marion married with a grown son. But until they have a script where everyone is in agreement, it won’t be done.
That's slightly different to the usual response, and actually goes further to suggest that it may not happen due to disagreement. Normally there's an upbeat positive message about something happening, but this one has negative overtones.
Location: In the Map Room playing with a laser pointer
Posts: 2,919
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Smith
That's slightly different to the usual response, and actually goes further to suggest that it may not happen due to disagreement. Normally there's an upbeat positive message about something happening, but this one has negative overtones.
Nah. It just sounds to me like Karen was out of the loop.
Quote:
September 20, 2010
Karen Allen: "I think, from the little rumours that I hear from time to time, they are working on a story. They take their time figuring it out. They want it, of course, to be the best film that they can possibly make. And it has to be something that Steven Spielberg, George Lucas and Harrison Ford all get on the same page with. And they're all very busy with their other projects. I have no guarantee that I would be in it but I think it would be hard to explain what happened to me, now that we're married and if I just suddenly wasn't in it to some extent. But they'll create the story."
Then Heard something:
Quote:
February 18, 2011
Karen Allen: "There is a script being worked on and there seems to be agreement on the core of the story. From what I hear, Harrison and George and Steven like the core of the story."
Then said something
.
Then was instructed to dial it back a notch:
Quote:
March 3, 2011
Karen Allen: "Your guess is as good as mine – as far as I know there's one in the works. They're currently trying to write the script, there's an idea that they all really like – but Harrison, George and Steven all have to approve. It has to be finished and approved but I hope it does happen. I'd love to be a part of it."
March 7, 2011
Karen Allen: "They keep trying to find a story as good as [Raiders]. We'll see what happens with the next one."
March 17, 2011
Karen Allen: "We have an interesting starting point now with Indy and Marion married with a grown son. But until they have a script where everyone is in agreement, it won’t be done."
She went from saying that they all agree, to falling in line with the "If they can all agree" rhetoric, but I am grateful for the things she said before getting shut down.
Nah. It just sounds to me like Karen was out of the loop.
Then Heard something:
.
Then was instructed to dial it back a notch:
She went from saying that they all agree, to falling in line with the "If they can all agree" rhetoric, but I am grateful for the things she said before getting shut down.
As you say, Karen alway's seemed to be out of the loop, with her ear to a very thick door. The "slight" difference I was referring to was her negative tone: "But until they have a script where everyone is in agreement, it won’t be done."
She's been talking the project up thus far, even if her words were non-committal double-speak. But now she's injected the idea that there is some disagreement holding things up.
I can see this as George coming up with even more wild ideas, and Steven and Harrison rolling their eyes at the prospect!
As you say, Karen alway's seemed to be out of the loop, with her ear to a very thick door. The "slight" difference I was referring to was her negative tone: "But until they have a script where everyone is in agreement, it won’t be done."
She's been talking the project up thus far, even if her words were non-committal double-speak. But now she's injected the idea that there is some disagreement holding things up.
Not sure if she is signalling disagreement (would she have that insight?). But it's the first time that she seems to be consciously setting expectations.
CY: So there might be another Indiana Jones movie?
KA: “That certainly is what I’m hearing. I don’t know for certain when or I don’t know much about it. I know Harrison [Ford] or Steven [Spielberg] will talk about it from time to time as though it’s definitely happening. As far as I know, they have a story that they like and they’re working on the script. I think the first phase is a script has to be written that Steven Speilberg likes, that Harrison Ford likes and that George Lucas, that they’re all happy with. When and if that happens, then the next phase will move forward. I think that’s where it is right now, it’s being written.”
Location: In the Map Room playing with a laser pointer
Posts: 2,919
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Smith
As you say, Karen alway's seemed to be out of the loop, with her ear to a very thick door. The "slight" difference I was referring to was her negative tone: "But until they have a script where everyone is in agreement, it won’t be done."
She's been talking the project up thus far, even if her words were non-committal double-speak. But now she's injected the idea that there is some disagreement holding things up.
I can see this as George coming up with even more wild ideas, and Steven and Harrison rolling their eyes at the prospect!
I can see where you're coming from, but I think it was simply an unfortunate choice of words, especially in light of her more upbeat comment as posted by kevster since you've been here. Thanks Kev!
SHE DON'T KNOW NOTHIN! Recent posts here are rank with desperation. She didn't know about Crystal Skull till she got a personal phone call from Spielberg! Even her recollections of THAT call illustrate she couldn't take a hint!
Location: The sun is shining a little stronger. Time to hit the road and drift southbound.
Posts: 3,967
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocket Surgeon
SHE DON'T KNOW NOTHIN! Recent posts here are rank with desperation. She didn't know about Crystal Skull till she got a personal phone call from Spielberg! Even her recollections of THAT call illustrate she couldn't take a hint!
Even though I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not (what with the rolling-eyes), but I can say that I agree with your statement.
Just like Rocko said; she didn't even know about Kingdom until the last minute. Why would The Beards even keep her in the know about an Indy 5? The answer is they have no reason, and they aren't.
It sounds like she knows as much as all of us - jack squat. She's repeating what she heard Harry say 12,565 times now.
SHE DON'T KNOW NOTHIN! Recent posts here are rank with desperation. She didn't know about Crystal Skull till she got a personal phone call from Spielberg! Even her recollections of THAT call illustrate she couldn't take a hint!
I second that opinion. She gives stock responses which have usually been positive, until she warned that disagreement could stop it from happening at all. To actually say that seems like either an unguarded moment, or she's really feeling negative.
I'm just wondering--could all of the negative press from KOTCS stop Indy 5? In one of the making ofs, Spielberg said he wanted to stop at LC because it was good, a good ending...I wonder if there's any rift between Spielberg and Lucas, ie:
Spielberg feeling like, "See, George, you HAD to push that alien idea that both me and Harrison disliked back when you first pushed it on us in '93, and now look--the series is ruined. We left off on a positive note with the last Raiders picture but you had to have your aliens."
And Lucas is probably pushing to make an Indy sequel since SW is done and KOTCS was a commercial success. He has nothing else to do. And really, if he wanted, he could make an Indy movie without Steven or Harrison, since it's his character.
The hold up could be that LUCAS wants to do another Indy and the others don't, or don't trust him with new ideas.
I'm just wondering--could all of the negative press from KOTCS stop Indy 5? In one of the making ofs, Spielberg said he wanted to stop at LC because it was good, a good ending...I wonder if there's any rift between Spielberg and Lucas, ie:
Spielberg feeling like, "See, George, you HAD to push that alien idea that both me and Harrison disliked back when you first pushed it on us in '93, and now look--the series is ruined. We left off on a positive note with the last Raiders picture but you had to have your aliens."
And Lucas is probably pushing to make an Indy sequel since SW is done and KOTCS was a commercial success. He has nothing else to do. And really, if he wanted, he could make an Indy movie without Steven or Harrison, since it's his character.
The hold up could be that LUCAS wants to do another Indy and the others don't, or don't trust him with new ideas.
I think there's probably an element of truth in that. We know there were difference of opinion before KOTCS, and the post-KOTCS media and fan analysis put the team on an uneven footing. If KOTCS had been a roaring critical success it would have been much easier to continue. Now they have to make sure that they don't make things worse, and that could be the source for some disagreement between the beards.
I think there's probably an element of truth in that. We know there were difference of opinion before KOTCS, and the post-KOTCS media and fan analysis put the team on an uneven footing. If KOTCS had been a roaring critical success it would have been much easier to continue. Now they have to make sure that they don't make things worse, and that could be the source for some disagreement between the beards.
Yeah. They all--Harrison included--have some personal feelings on what an Indy film and isn't. Harrison isn't the kind of actor who just says, "Ok. Whatever the script is, I'll do it." He himself was against Indy and aliens being mixed back in the '90s and refused to do a "a Steven Spielberg movie like that." Now, whether he just isn't into Sci Fi movies, or Sci Fi mixed with Indy, I don't know--but my point is he has or had certain standards, at least when it comes to Indy. He actually seems to care about Indy--likes the character, likes playing him. He's said in the past, for example, he never really was interested by the Han Solo character. But Indy is different.
Then you take Steven into account, who also seems to have a certain rubric for what an Indy film should and shouldn't include or concern. He also seems to actually care about the fans and their opinions--At least, I think/hope he does. And I'm sure he at least indirectly keeps his eye on the media/the media's reaction to KOTCS/fan reaction. I mean hell, this is the same guy who made LC to "apologize" to the fans for TOD. He's a sentimental, perhaps even somewhat sensitive guy. Imagine how he must feel now, if he felt he had to apologize for TOD.
And Lucas is probably unperturbed by how the fans feel, and seems to have this need to rape his own movies. I truly think it's some kind of need to destroy the films that made him big--Maybe he feels they're actually failures, just stupid American commercial films he regrets making (when he could've been making art films like THX) and as such, needs to bury them. Needs to kill them. Because they're reminders of how he betrayed what he originally wanted to be: An Art Film director, an indie avant garde guy. And in his mind, he probably sold out, or gave into what the dumb American public wanted, and Indy like Star Wars is a prime reminder of that ''failure.''
I don't think Lucas cares about anything or even anybody except for his his vision. I don't know when he became such a jerk, but he's an egomaniac who seems to just see people as tools to making his vision a reality and a success. And I don't think he really likes his fans. At all.
This is a REAL Lucas quote, on his audience:
"Popcorn pictures have always ruled. Why do people go and see these popcorn pictures when they're not good? Why is the public so stupid? That's not my fault. I just understood what people liked to go see, and Steven [Spielberg] has too, and we go for that."
He thinks we, who made him his millions and billions, and his films which also helped make him a rich man, are stupid.
Or did I miss something?
