Lol. Unsurprisingly this topic hasn't gone anywhere in the last week...
Without mad ravings, this topic was bound to shrivel up.
Atta boy, RA...
Keep this up and some extra cooler time can easily be arranged. If the other party is courteous enough to stay silent, you might even have to make do without the company.
Keep this up and some extra cooler time can easily be arranged. If the other party is courteous enough to stay silent, you might even have to make do without the company.
Now what have I said, eh? Stated an observation so far.
The fact that this topic hasn't gone anywhere speaks volumes, I dare say.
I was actually hoping that Indy's Brother, and/or whoever else supports ancient alien theories or is "open minded" besides Matt, would've brought up a topic to discuss, or would comment on our ongoing Great Pyramid discussion. It would've been interesting to see what they would have to say about what I, or perhaps more importantly, Lambonus had to say against Matt's "Great Pyramid is not a tomb" statements. Since Indy's Brother in particular merely put down some mysteries for discussion rather than starting with aggressive assertions like "what the mainstream accepts is a rigged game," I have a feeling it could've been a rather cordial discussion.
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Thanks Gabeed. Like others to this doomed thread, I am inexplicably drawn like a moth to the flame war. However, I see the irreversibly damaged goods that this topic has become. As much as I would really enjoy a serious thread about the ancient alien theories that are out there, I have opted to stay out of the debate.
Now what have I said, eh? Stated an observation so far.
Feel free to disagree with the guy, but using words like "mad ravings" (no matter how fittingly descriptive) are pretty much a call to pick up exactly where you left off.
Thanks Gabeed. Like others to this doomed thread, I am inexplicably drawn like a moth to the flame war. However, I see the irreversibly damaged goods that this topic has become. As much as I would really enjoy a serious thread about the ancient alien theories that are out there, I have opted to stay out of the debate.
I agree. "Irreversibly damaged goods" is a good way to describe this thread. I have stated my theories, opinions, ideas and such, and they are here for others to consider. That's all I ever really wanted in the first place. I'm always up for discussing the topic through private contact, but I think, like Indy's Brother, I'm just going to step away from this thread, lest it just ignite more flames. If the thread gets going again in a good direction, someone please let me know and I'll be happy to return.
using words like "mad ravings" (no matter how fittingly descriptive)
"Fourth wall! You're breaking the fourth wall!" (Chris, Family Guy)
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I agree. "Irreversibly damaged goods" is a good way to describe this thread.
It was from the start, since the thread began as the assertion of a reality, rather than a theory. That's an insurmountable issue, because you believe what you saw, and you have no way of proving it to others. Opponents would have to suspend their disbelief for the thread to continue.
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I have stated my theories, opinions, ideas and such, and they are here for others to consider. That's all I ever really wanted in the first place.
The only way a thread like could work is if everyone involved only stated "theories, opinions, ideas". As soon as the element of reality or truth emerges, it kills all other theories, and that was the case before the thread began.
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I'm always up for discussing the topic through private contact, but I think, like Indy's Brother, I'm just going to step away from this thread, lest it just ignite more flames. If the thread gets going again in a good direction, someone please let me know and I'll be happy to return.
If it's 'don't call us, we'll call you', then this thread will likely remain quiet. However, a thread where people posted historical and geographical oddities for open discussion might have a more constructive life. As long as it remains in the realm of ideas no one should take offence. Yet, as soon as the case for alternative reality is pressed, it's bound to upset some people.
A thread where people posted historical and geographical oddities for open discussion might have a more constructive life. As long as it remains in the realm of ideas no one should take offence. Yet, as soon as the case for alternative reality is pressed, it's bound to upset some people.
I like that. Well, let's see if that can salvage things, then. Since a lot of this thread seemed bent toward the Great Pyramid, let's revisit one thing that nobody seemed to have answered to anyone's satisfaction (if I recall right). I'm referring to the copper fittings at the end of the 8" shaft discovered by robot-cam in 1993. Anybody got any ideas on what those might be?
My own opinion is they were conductors of something, as if the 8" shaft was a conduit or pipeline for ancient technology long since removed. I believe this is one of the greater mysteries of the Giza site. I'd certainly like to hear if any traditional Egyptology has an answer on this one.
I would love to see what this finds. Whatever it may be. The thought of "something" being beyond that doors is a nagging one to say the least. Like an unwrapped Christmas present, even if it only turns out to be socks and underwear.
It shows where the copper fittings were, and a copper 'hook'. The view on this page is that they were magical hieroglyphic signs, rather than handles. They say the shafts could be model corridors for the king's soul to travel through.
Still sounds like a shot in the dark, though. Nothing really substantial to end the mystery.
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I would love to see what this finds. Whatever it may be. The thought of "something" being beyond that doors is a nagging one to say the least. Like an unwrapped Christmas present, even if it only turns out to be socks and underwear.
It's definitely intriguing and one can't help but let their imagination wander about what might be found beyond those obstacles. I think the inner adventurer in all of us hopes it's something like this:
I'd actually hope it's something not-so-spectacular. Truly. Egypt tends to hold the public's imagination when it comes to the ancient world, but there's so much else worldwide that holds possibilities which we should be looking hard at. Furthermore, Egypt being more or less the Middle-east, were some revelation found there, it could stir up a lot of religious violence. Although I believe the Giza monuments are the work of a far more ancient civilization than we realize (be it terrestrial or extra-terrestrial, and I still hold to the latter), it'd be nice if we looked further afield. Something I've said numerous times, is that we have to see a larger, more comprehensive picture.
For example, the sunken monuments off coastlines all around the world, thus evidence of civilizations pre-dating the ending of the last ice Age, a time when conventional history says humankind were mere cave-dwellers.
Surely the dogmatic, hidebound mainstream labels such a wondrous, mysterious device a fake.
I'd say that's a safe bet. Or better still, time-traveling inter-dimensional aliens really are the ones that gave humans the ability to make it. I'd say that's a likely supposition.
I'd say that's a safe bet. Or better still, time-traveling inter-dimensional aliens really are the ones that gave humans the ability to make it. I'd say that's a likely supposition.
Yeah, we have to give us humans a little credit. Of all the animal kingdom only the wonderous mind of man could conceive of aliens or of gods.
Clever buggers those Greeks. Homer knew a thing or two about robotic tripods, too...
Surely the dogmatic, hidebound mainstream labels such a wondrous, mysterious device a fake.
No, the dogmatic labels had the opportunity to study in depth the artifact and showed it is, yet product of genius, compatible with the culture and the science of its time, particulary due to the fact that they had more than sufficient skills with metals, that mechanical mechanism were indeed built at those times, that it is compatible with their astronomycal knowledg, and that they were as advanced in math as they pratically discovered 80% of the math basis we know about today.
If I recall correctly, this particular mechanism possibly was made in Syracuse, by the successors of Archimedes. Given Archimedes' talent for making incredible machines, I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
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No, the dogmatic labels had the opportunity to study in depth the artifact and showed it is, yet product of genius, compatible with the culture and the science of its time, particulary due to the fact that they had more than sufficient skills with metals, that mechanical mechanism were indeed built at those times, that it is compatible with their astronomycal knowledg, and that they were as advanced in math as they pratically discovered 80% of the math basis we know about today.
If I recall correctly, this particular mechanism possibly was made in Syracuse, by the successors of Archimedes. Given Archimedes' talent for making incredible machines, I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
Yup! It is speculated that this mechanism can be Archimedes' planetarium Cicero wrote about.
Well, to those who actually could stomach the above cheap-shot attempts, I'll set the record straight:
I never said this ancient Greek device was of alien origins. Some of the above posters are just trying to lump things together to make themselves believe they have a point. The ancient Greek device is an enigma, yes. So are a lot of things in ancient times. Because aliens had in a hand in some ancient things doesn't mean they did in all of them. Maybe some ancient alien believers say that, but myself, and the serious researchers do not. I could just as easily say that all people who go to church believe you should kill your wife if she's unfaithful, because a crazy few do (as does the Bible, for that matter). Or, I could just as easily say that all mathematicians still believe the locomotive will kill all its passengers if it exceeds 35mph because a Russian mathematician said so in the 19th century.
This new revelation about this device should be in a different thread, guys, and you know it. Placing it here, exploiting it with a thinly-veiled attempt at discrediting ancient alien discussion just reveals how really fragile your egos are, trying to mock one thread rather than contribute positively to another. If you really cared about science, you'd start a new thread about this, rather than exploiting it to try and get your schoolyard kicks in this one. If you're so right, and so scientific, such a revelation as this should simply be the seed of a new thread, and you wouldn't have any need to fan the flames with some "UFO nut" like me, whom you should be able to dismiss and ignore. That you seem to have to stir things up rather than take the scientific approach only reveals your true motives.
So, for others, setting the record straight: Ancient alien research does not involve this relic, nor the Baghdad Battery, nor any other such singular examples of ancient technology. The simple-minded connection of ancient-technology-must-be-alien is what skeptics like to focus on, rather than the objectivity of the actual research, which focuses on purpose, the inability of humankind to achieve, or the records kept in relation thereto. The Greeks were known to be damn good with numbers. It's reasonable to assume they could have built such a device. But when we find entire cities built with 200-ton stone blocks of relatively small size to defy movement and whose collection defies any cultural reasoning to the extent of their use, we have to consider that some external influence is at work. Especially when those ancient sources site their knowledge being given to them by visitors from the sky.
There. I've said my peace and further flaming won't get a reaction, so don't waste your effort. If there's genuine questions, I'll address those.
Eons of peace and quiet . . .and then BAM. Suddenly this thread turns into Mt. St. Helens again.
I, for one, never claimed that Matt said that this had anything to do with ancient aliens. It does go against his calling mainstream archaeology utterly dogmatic, though. It's a perfect case of an extraordinary find that despite a curious and mysterious nature was not deemed a fraud. If the evidence is there, the mainstream gives it its due time and thought.
