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Old 12-16-2010, 03:59 AM   #1
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Question Time Travel/Ancient astronaut

I've had an idea about the ancient astronaut theory that involves UFOs and time travelers from the future. *What I think is that the easiest way for archaeologists to travel to the past and not disturb the timeline would be within a vehicle that has been reported for centuries. Of course this is only possible if it is correct and accurate. My question to the group is "Is there any evidence to either prove this or disprove this?" If so what does this mean about not only our past but our future as well?*
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Old 12-16-2010, 04:24 AM   #2
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I would refer you to another thread about Ancient Aliens. But I think it's more humane not to.

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Old 12-16-2010, 04:29 AM   #3
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Yes I know of what you speak, for it twas I who started it. But it is not ancient aliens I want to speak about. I wish to speak about time traveling humans from the future and their impact on our past (similar to the plot of the hit tv show "the 4400".
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:35 AM   #4
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I've had an idea about the ancient astronaut theory that involves UFOs and time travelers from the future. *What I think is that the easiest way for archaeologists to travel to the past and not disturb the timeline would be within a vehicle that has been reported for centuries. Of course this is only possible if it is correct and accurate. My question to the group is "Is there any evidence to either prove this or disprove this?" If so what does this mean about not only our past but our future as well?*

This vehicle of which you speak... Is it blue and looks suspiciously (or perhaps unobtrusively) like an old London Police Call Box? Or is it perhaps something a little more 1980's, say, a stainless steel sports car?

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Old 12-16-2010, 09:20 AM   #5
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This vehicle of which you speak... Is it blue and looks suspiciously (or perhaps unobtrusively) like an old London Police Call Box? Or is it perhaps something a little more 1980's, say, a stainless steel sports car?

...or a hybrid of the two?

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Old 12-16-2010, 09:26 AM   #6
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...or a hybrid of the two?

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Like maybe a phone booth with an umbrella frame on top?
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:31 AM   #7
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Like maybe a phone booth with an umbrella frame on top?
Well...

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Old 12-16-2010, 09:39 AM   #8
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Well...


Maybe one of these:


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Old 12-16-2010, 10:07 AM   #9
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Maybe one of these:


Actual minutes may vary. Some assembly required. Rod Taylor action figure sold separately.

WOW!! Where is the Wells Time Machine from? Custom? Looks wonderful. LOVE it!
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:11 AM   #10
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Before the stainless steel car there was this:



Practical. Sturdy. And like the car, fusion powered.
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:11 AM   #11
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*What I think is that the easiest way for archaeologists to travel to the past and not disturb the timeline would be within a vehicle that has been reported for centuries.*

Well, as proven by every time travel episode of Star Trek and numerous other shows and movies, it's not the vehicle that upsets the timeline, it's the travelers interaction with people in the past.

The only way to not upset the timeline, would be to be an invisible observer. Not very interesting for a plot, though.
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WOW!! Where is the Wells Time Machine from? Custom? Looks wonderful. LOVE it!


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Old 12-16-2010, 02:08 PM   #13
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See but this is exactly what I mean. No matter what precautions we take to insure the purity of the original timeline we would pollute it, which would explain things like ooparts(out of place artifacts)
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Old 12-19-2010, 11:21 AM   #14
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Unless we are talking about a pre-destination paradox, naturally
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Old 12-19-2010, 11:44 AM   #15
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See but this is exactly what I mean. No matter what precautions we take to insure the purity of the original timeline we would pollute it, which would explain things like ooparts(out of place artifacts)

The problem with this is that the mere presence of a time traveler in the past alters the purity of the original timeline, artifacts or not. If out-of-place artifacts were caused by time travelers, then we only exist in an alternate timeline ourselves. I'll call Donnie Darko later today to see if he can straighten it out for us. He owes me a favor.
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:45 PM   #16
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What if the explorer didn't physically travel time at all?

Astral projection.
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:59 PM   #17
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Slightly OT but it just occurred to me that why do some people seem to need to believe in something paranormal to explain our history/evolution?

If it's not God or religious, then it's aliens, time travellers or transdimensional CGI puppets.



Not a pop at anyone, just general observation of the world . Some can be dismissive of the
creationist view but happily accept aliens or time travel....just amuses me how we often scoff at one unprovable idea yet blindly accept aonther. (I am as guilty as any)

Then there's a whole other debate of what constitues proof or if we even need proof!

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Old 12-19-2010, 07:07 PM   #18
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What if the explorer didn't physically travel time at all?

Astral projection.

Interesting approach. The astral plane may not experience linear time in the same way we do here on the physical plane. I'm thinking that the astral plane (being a spiritual existence, not physical) might very well be a realm where all of time is happening in a singular instant, and would therefore not suffer the same paradoxes inherent in time travel that would most certainly occur here. Of course, being a separate plane of existence altogether, it would do nothing to solve the riddle of out of place artifacts, since there is no need for spark plugs (for example) on the astral plane.
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Old 12-19-2010, 07:15 PM   #19
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Do they have those little bags of nuts on the astral plane?
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Old 12-19-2010, 07:23 PM   #20
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Slightly OT but it just occurred to me that why do some people seem to need to believe in something paranaormal to explain history/evolution?

If it's not God or religious, then it's aliens, time travellers or transdimensional CGI puppets.


In an ever shrinking world with ever-shrinking privacy, I think it's rather healthy to believe in something mysterious and not 100% explained away by either science, religion, or aliens. As long as that belief isn't used to say, start a war, or squash someone's right to think or believe what and how they choose to. Most everyone in the world thinks that their own personal view is the right one, yet most people who believe in one singular thing, like the existence of god, or jesus, or even less broad one particular branch of one particular faith bicker amongst themselves about which parts are important, or how they are to be interpreted. Science is also evolving, and may come close, but will never fully unlock the secrets of the universe. There's simply too much out there for us to master our knowledge over. Things like aliens and time-travel are not imposible, and are wildly more entertaining to consider than the stuffy preaching of a religious leader, or sterile facts and figures from a man in a lab coat. For me, the unknown and bizarre keep alive a small sense of wonder that the cynical age we live in is too eager to crush. After all, isn't it possible that is why so many of us are fans of a cynical archaeologist, from a simpler time, who happens upon supernatural objects/events, that cause him to question what it is that he truly believes?

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Do they have those little bags of nuts on the astral plane?

I tried to find out once. No Ticket.
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Old 12-19-2010, 08:09 PM   #22
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The astral plane may not experience linear time in the same way we do here on the physical plane.

I'd agree with that. Space/gravity affects time. But what if the true mechanics of time aren't really linear, but it's instead a concept accepted to explain it's flow for our human understanding? It's just perception.
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But what if the true mechanics of time aren't really linear, but it's instead a concept accepted to explain it's flow for our human understanding? It's just perception.

While it's very true that we are limited by our physical nature in how we experience the passage of time, we are just as bound by those laws of the physical world in how we not only measure and experience time, but in how we prove it's very existence. Until there is a way to measure it in another way, we have to assume that the same physical laws that make us experience time as linear, and further, to even consider the possibility of time travel must be followed to their end to complete a valid theory of how it is or isn't possible.

There is a theory that gravity is actually leaking out of our dimension into other dimensions, which is why it is a relatively weak force. Since time is affected by gravity, that opens up the possibility that we are experiencing it at a slower rate than we should (but that's relative, would we notice it if time were moving faster or slower?), or that some kind of anomolies exist that could be used to a time-traveler's advantage.

As far as altering your perception of time, famed american seer Edgar Cayce alleged that he could do it, and that anyone else could be trained to as well. Though I don't think that would be considered true time-travel (since it's not interacting with events) it's more time-observation, it is a step toward your idea.
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:55 AM   #24
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I first heard of Astral Projection' while delving into a book on the black arts. It was supposed to be the method witches used to travel secretly and commit their acts of mischief.

The way I see it, the projectee would still leave a trail of evidence once they arrived. Though their method of travel would remain hidden.
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While it's very true that we are limited by our physical nature in how we experience the passage of time, we are just as bound by those laws of the physical world in how we not only measure and experience time, but in how we prove it's very existence.

Ah, you just ha'fta open the doors of perception. Break on through.

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There is a theory that gravity is actually leaking out of our dimension into other dimensions, which is why it is a relatively weak force.

Well, to me, the obvious culprit seems to be black holes--excuse me-- African-American holes.

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Since time is affected by gravity, that opens up the possibility that we are experiencing it at a slower rate than we should (but that's relative, would we notice it if time were moving faster or slower?)

Yes and no. Being susceptible to gravitational fluctuations, time isn't a consistent force. It must be always flowing slightly differently, with all the variables that constantly interact with it. Some differences aren't experienced significantly (e.g.; the moon's pull on Earth over the course of a day), others probably would be (e.g.; a black hole passing very close to us).



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"Is there any evidence to either prove this or disprove this?"

To answer your original question; not if the government and/or Zahi Hawass has anything to do with it.

The theory that the U.F.O.s are actually us from the future has been proposed, and I see no reason to shoot it out of the water. And;

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If so what does this mean about not only our past but our future as well?

I'd say probably as much as the result of any two cultures meeting and altering one anothers' way of life.

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