Originally posted by westford Don't think Vin Diesel would work in IJ...
Doubt if any of you will have seen it, but the BBC1 show Deadringers has a great 'British bad guys' sketch every week with Ian McKellan and Alan Rickman fighting over who should play the bad guy in a film. They end up killing each other, then Brian Blessed shows up to fill in... LOL! OK, you'd have to see it to get it I guess... But Alan Rickman would be cool! (Thinking more along the lines of the Sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves than Prof. Snape... )
Alan Rickman would be a VERY good choice as a villan in the new Indy film. I would also like to see as others here mentioned Christopher Lee, Anthony Hopkins, or Gary Oldmen play the lead villan.
But on Vin Diesal playing a villian, I two words to say about that one,NO WAY!!!(Sorry to all you Vin Diesal fans out there.)
Vin Diesel? Are you high? He doesn't even make a viable HERO. Let alone a bad guy. He has a lot of things going against him.
1. He can't act. He can't, end of story.
2. He wouldn't be believable.
3...I don't need to continue.
If he were an unknown and was hired as the big guy Indy faces throughout the trilogy, (Like Big guy in Bar, or thugee guard.) Then it might work. But he couldn't have any lines.
As to who would make a good villian, I think Gary Oldman as the Donovan/Belloq type is ideal casting. Then maybe I would choose an unknown for the Vogel type.
believable? you think everything in indy is totally believable? even if he was just in it briefly, it'd draw even more people to the theaters. vin diesel has a big fan base, and it'd draw most of his fans and possibly turn them onto indy as well. i mean, the dude who fights indy under the plane was cool, and did tn act. i mean, yall could be right. maybe just a small villian, or something, but i think it'd be pretty cool, since he looks really menacing.
Vin Diesel would cost millions no question about it, even if he wanted to do it he is tied to doing those horrible thrill by numbers XXX films (which he will be making 2 more sequels probably until 2006!) and the studio guards him zealously. So it would become a cameo which would cost millions (ever heard of the fee for playing Jor-El in Superman?).
Indy does not need to build a fan base in fact having Diesel in it would cause indifference to most and hostility to some of the fans of Indy, esps we old(ish) campaigners. Kids generally dont care about star pull they care about the movie and even if they are Diesel fans more will be fans of Indiana Jones.
Also for me having him in it with connotations of the modern 2000s would spoil the atmosphere of them.
If you are looking for hardmen then there are hundreds of them in Hollywood and none of them cost 7 figure sums!
Vin Deasel wouldn't be a good villain. Christpher Lee would probably be good If he wasn't already the badguy in Lord of the Rings, Star Wars 2, Dracula andThe man with the golden gun. They should pick someone old and scary.
[sarcasm] Vin Diesel would be a great villain. I have this idea for a part:
Diesel is mindlessly destroying age old artifacts. Just hammering them.
Indy: Why are you doing that?
Indy: There must be a reason for doing this?
My main point: Diesel is only fit to play complete morons with no mind whatsoever. Indy villains are smart enough to outsmart Indy, Diesel would never be able to play anyone able to outsmart even Sallah.
Jeremy Irons and Allan Rickman? Seems as if everybody wants Die Hard type villians, which is cool. How about Anthony Hopkins? All he would have to do is bring in his Hannibal type screen persona, but not eat people, but his passions involve archeaology.
I've noticed that everybody prefers British actors, which is fine.
I think Vin Diesal would be a great villain, but not in a Indy film. The best villian(well later he becomes good)he played was in Pitch Black.
No one would take Deisal seriously. He looks like a hairless, stupid ape (I apologize to all the apes out there). I just can't stand him, he's a terrible actor (if you want to call him that). In fact, I wouldn't call him an 'actor', the only thing he has going for him is big muscles. It's a shame that all the general public sees now is big muscles, and they don't care about talent.
Personally, I think a British villain would be great (my god, I love the British; there smooth velvety voices, and I've never seen a bad British actor ). But I would rather wait until we know more about the movie before we start picking actors.
But since we are, how about someone younger than Ford? Jude Law, I think would be a great menacing villain. But if we are going for someone older, Alan Rickman all the way.
How about some unknown actors? All of the actors i.e Rickman, Irons, Lee and Mckellen(oh, and Diesal of course) are pretty famous. Not like Paul Freeman, the actors who played Mola Ram(well this actor is famous in India cinema, but not American)and Donavan. Maybe some unknown talents are better?
Diesel? You have to be kidding. You need a educated, archaeologically savvy villain, not a blunt instrument. Diesel survives because his origins are ambiguous and so he appeals to all groups.
Max Von Syndow would be a good one. Thoughtful and not inherently dangerous looking. No one with a cultured English accent, please. I'm getting tired of everyone who ever studied Shakespeare in acting school being cast as an elitest devil. You can be sure, on TV anyway, if an actor speaks with any fastidiousness he will be the bad guy. Look at Lithgow in Cliffhanger. Shot that knockout lady pilot without hesitation, evil I tell you.
If he talks like Vin Diesel or Sylvester Stallone, he is a man of the people and a hero.
Originally posted by Aaron H How about the "big boss" be female? Yeah there was Elsa, but she was just a cronie to the Nazi's. What if there was a female Lao Che?
Hey! this hasn't been discussed before. I think it sounds like a great idea, I would be in favour for a female antagonist. And not just a Panama Hat or Lao Che, but as the main baddie(maybe another thread is in order?).