The emotional heart of Indy IV
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00Kevin
Indyfan
well to refresh everyone's memory
every indy film has at least 1 relationship:
raider-the 'lover' marion
Temple-the sidekick, kinda like a son roll: shorty
(and willie)
LC-Father in Henry
(also elsa)
as for a son or daughter in indy 4....in my opinion.......no way! I say have a strong female lead who gets the attention.....let's make her a mysterious one ~_~
every indy film has at least 1 relationship:
raider-the 'lover' marion
Temple-the sidekick, kinda like a son roll: shorty
(and willie)
LC-Father in Henry
(also elsa)
as for a son or daughter in indy 4....in my opinion.......no way! I say have a strong female lead who gets the attention.....let's make her a mysterious one ~_~
monkey
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Hey, what happened to this thread?
I left for a few days, come back, and it's gone. There were some good discussions.
Anyway, OK, here's one for you: What about Indy's Mom? Who was she anyway? The only thing I know is that she is dead.
Couldn't she be the emotional focus of the film? And she wouldn't necessarily need to be alive to be the emotional focus. There are many ways that his relationship with his mom could be utilized.
I left for a few days, come back, and it's gone. There were some good discussions.
Anyway, OK, here's one for you: What about Indy's Mom? Who was she anyway? The only thing I know is that she is dead.
Couldn't she be the emotional focus of the film? And she wouldn't necessarily need to be alive to be the emotional focus. There are many ways that his relationship with his mom could be utilized.
00Kevin
Indyfan
Anna Jones died of Scarlett Fever in May of 1912
this has never been touched upon, no post-1912 adventures ever have much mention of Anna as far as I remember...LC has 5 seconds at the fork in the road.......and there may be a mention in the bookends of travles with father, never seen it, and yes, I know it's not called 'Travels with Mother'
a good Idea, but not one that can easily fit into a good plot
mabey a small scene in the begining or something....perhaps indy visits her tombstone...or a previous adventure like in LC
this has never been touched upon, no post-1912 adventures ever have much mention of Anna as far as I remember...LC has 5 seconds at the fork in the road.......and there may be a mention in the bookends of travles with father, never seen it, and yes, I know it's not called 'Travels with Mother'
a good Idea, but not one that can easily fit into a good plot
mabey a small scene in the begining or something....perhaps indy visits her tombstone...or a previous adventure like in LC
Best thread I've had in a long time, this was...I might retype some of the ideas at some point, but the basic idea was that Indy is seeking redemption.
bob
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I think that Indy IV really needs to gear away from the whole father-son thing and bring something new to the mix.
The most logical thing of course would be a child and however soapish it may be and however put off i was by the 'dont knok it' thread i quite like the idea of Indy having a daughter it would give the movie a light fun tone but different from the trilogy and also providing a different type of female lead.
But my personal belief is that Indy will need to be redeemed in some way, i feel that in order for there to be an Indy IV there needs to be something wrong with his character (forgive the phrasing), Indy IV should be about him trying to find meaning in his life after his days of high adventure; i would like to see the character of Indy brought down to some sort of (not to serious) physcological reality so that we can finally see the chracter of Henry Jr 'Indiana' Jones lain bare once and for all if this is to be the end.
That is what i want to see as the heart of the movie and i dont care through what mechanicism they achive this whether it is through strife, children, or trained monkey the light Indy or Indy noir.
The most logical thing of course would be a child and however soapish it may be and however put off i was by the 'dont knok it' thread i quite like the idea of Indy having a daughter it would give the movie a light fun tone but different from the trilogy and also providing a different type of female lead.
But my personal belief is that Indy will need to be redeemed in some way, i feel that in order for there to be an Indy IV there needs to be something wrong with his character (forgive the phrasing), Indy IV should be about him trying to find meaning in his life after his days of high adventure; i would like to see the character of Indy brought down to some sort of (not to serious) physcological reality so that we can finally see the chracter of Henry Jr 'Indiana' Jones lain bare once and for all if this is to be the end.
That is what i want to see as the heart of the movie and i dont care through what mechanicism they achive this whether it is through strife, children, or trained monkey the light Indy or Indy noir.
Cain said:
You'd have to ask him, really. I can only speculate. From my perspective, I'd say he's done all right, except for killing some hundreds of people and the whole greed thing and all...but he would think he'd done nothing worthwhile. He has this conflict in his mind because he goes after a bunch of artifacts, he's killed a bunch of people, he's come face-to-face with the divine...and to what end? What good has it been? Very little, it will seem to him, even if he has "saved the world" a few times. And I am convinced that the changing era, i.e. communism, McCarthy, the Cold War, nuclear weapons, etc. will really affect him in some big ways. It's that great meaty stuff that good end-of-an-era stories come from. It can be great. Believe me, action types confronted with their life can be really rather fascinating.
i agree with most of what you say but we have to remind ourselves that beside indy`s character examinations there has to be space for the "indy at an adventure" spirit.
i don`t think that indy`s character can be lain bare as bob said without his passion for archeology and adventure.
i see that his other or REAL meaning of life should be lain bare but not without the little connection to archeology. wouldn`t it be some kind of a **** take if we learn in the last installment that archeology or adventure shouldn`t play a role in the life of indiana jones?
...just some to think about...
i don`t think that indy`s character can be lain bare as bob said without his passion for archeology and adventure.
i see that his other or REAL meaning of life should be lain bare but not without the little connection to archeology. wouldn`t it be some kind of a **** take if we learn in the last installment that archeology or adventure shouldn`t play a role in the life of indiana jones?
...just some to think about...
monkey
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Trained Monkey?
Trained Monkey? What are you trying to say Bob?
As for the idea of an Indiana Jones movie WITHOUT archaeology? Unthinkable!! Impossible!!
But I don't think anyone has suggested that.
Instead, I think what everyone seems to believe is that this film can not be just another Indy adventure. That's just not possible.
Jones' age, the era of the 50's, etc., there's got to be something else on a deeper level in this movie to make it really work.
But that DOES NOT mean it will stray from archaeology, or adventure, or action, or intrigue, or.....
A standard movie's got 120 minutes or so to work with. There's plenty of room for everything this film needs to succeed.
Trained Monkey? What are you trying to say Bob?
As for the idea of an Indiana Jones movie WITHOUT archaeology? Unthinkable!! Impossible!!
But I don't think anyone has suggested that.
Instead, I think what everyone seems to believe is that this film can not be just another Indy adventure. That's just not possible.
Jones' age, the era of the 50's, etc., there's got to be something else on a deeper level in this movie to make it really work.
But that DOES NOT mean it will stray from archaeology, or adventure, or action, or intrigue, or.....
A standard movie's got 120 minutes or so to work with. There's plenty of room for everything this film needs to succeed.
Randy_Flagg
Well-known member
Renderking Fisk said:
Indy from Raiders was the coolest. He got a bit tamer after that, didn't he? Instead of the rugged, mysterious adventure, he became the fun uncle we all like to hang out with. I'd like to see that more mysterious version of Indy again, but with enough humour surrounding it so that it's still a fun movie. I mean, even though Indy was a darker character at the start of Raiders, the movie was still all about fun. Can't have an Indy movie without good doses of humor... just wouldn't be right!
I feel that the trilogy has been a steady path of redemption. From the dark adventurer to the "favorite uncle" (great analogy, Flagg), Indy has evolved from bitter to at least hopeful. I favor a more "phoenix-from-the-ashes" type movie, a nod to the fact that this particular old dog doesn't need new tricks. I think the old man still has enough juice in him to put the whipper-snappers to shame, and this movie could be his realization of that. If it's to be the last movie, and I have no doubt of that, let it be the Indy we've grown to love and who has grown with us.
monkey
Guest
They have cheerleaders in Montana?
Why didn't you use whipped cream? That's what the Cali cheerleaders like.
(Only four?)
Anyway,..
.........I agree totally with the idea of returning a more mysterious tone to the character of Indiana Jones.
Remember the very, very first scene in Raiders? By the river? the guy with the pistol? and the whip that Jones uses to knock the gun out of his hand?
Yeah, that's the guy.
I mean......the scene with him and Dad strapped to the chair in LC was funny and entertaining, but I prefer the Raiders' version of the character.
Why didn't you use whipped cream? That's what the Cali cheerleaders like.
(Only four?)
Anyway,..
.........I agree totally with the idea of returning a more mysterious tone to the character of Indiana Jones.
Remember the very, very first scene in Raiders? By the river? the guy with the pistol? and the whip that Jones uses to knock the gun out of his hand?
Yeah, that's the guy.
I mean......the scene with him and Dad strapped to the chair in LC was funny and entertaining, but I prefer the Raiders' version of the character.
This is what redemption is all about. Truth is we are all this dark, only a few of us realize this and truely change. That is what drama is all about.
apalehorse said:
Give the man a cigar...
You see, I think it could be intriguinging if Indy exaggerates his own "level of darkness," as it were. In other words, he's seeking a helluva lot more redemption than he really needs. He's not that bad a guy (sure, he's still somewhat a bad guy), but he just thinks that he is.
It is true though. Few people realize how dark they really can be. Few people realize how dark everybody is. Even those that seem to be the best of folk have a dark side, quietly repressed, perhaps, but still, a dark side.
But I digress.