Well, the answer is simple. We came into conclusion that those voting threads out there were messing the board layout... you know, it was difficult to make the other threads out through them. Not impossible, I admit, but surely harder than usually. So we decide to limit the votes as one at a time. The rest of the threads were locked, but will be reopened once you tell us you're done with the previous one. Simple, no?
But to make this up, the current vote will be made a sticky topic that stays on the top of the page, no matter if no one posts into it.
And yeah, it's me granted with a grasp of power again. But don't think this is something performed by my twisted mind only. I do have our respected admin's approval... and not being the only one who thinks this is the best way to handle it.
You know Ren, I kinda share your thoughts. When I found out they're going to make me a watcher again, my first impression was "these guys never learn".
...or then, nationality really does matter. Let's have a look at from what parts of the world the people around here visit our little gigs. We have a lot of Americans. Lot of the mods are Americans, too. Then we do have Canucks, a handful of Brits, Dutchmen, French, Spaniards, Germans... and as the bottom of the pot, two lousy Finns. As you may have noticed, we have two European mods, both of them being, well... go figure.
Originally posted by Tennessee R Conglations, Finn.
Do you want me to break it real slow to 00Kevin when he gets back?
No, I'm glad your a mod again. Are you still going to be in the service?
Not to respond on Finn's behalf, but I highly doubt that he's been deferred just because he's been made a moderator, even if that does serve to better international relations somewhat.
Finn must join The Finnish Defence Forces. If he doesn't want to, he must go to non-military service. If he doesn't want to do either, he will be punished.
Originally posted by Renderking Fisk I’ll get trashed for saying this.
I think The Service should be mandatory for every adult male here in the United States. Not put everyone into hot spots like Iraq an Afghanistan… or anywhere you would put professional solders. Nope… inspecting cargo carriers coming in from over-seas, fire the complete incompetent and RETARDED baggage inspectors at the airports, and round up the ILLEGAL Aliens from Terrorist nations.
Give boys a year or two between High School and college so they can figure out what they want to do.
That's my biggest regret: that I never served in the Military. Out of high school, all I wanted to be was a filmmaker. Then I got b****slapped by reality. I should have gone into the service before college/film school. Or at the very least, joined the ROTC. If only I had known then what I know now.
Originally posted by Renderking Fisk I’ll get trashed for saying this.
I think The Service should be mandatory for every adult male here in the United States. Not put everyone into hot spots like Iraq an Afghanistan… or anywhere you would put professional solders. Nope… inspecting cargo carriers coming in from over-seas, fire the complete incompetent and RETARDED baggage inspectors at the airports, and round up the ILLEGAL Aliens from Terrorist nations.
Give boys a year or two between High School and college so they can figure out what they want to do.
I can agree with this. Most other countries have mandatory military service for young men and women once a certain age is reached. The only reason I didn't go into the military (either Navy SeaBees or Army Corps of Engineers) was out of respect for my mother, who asked me not to.
Her only brother was MIA and later declared KIA in Vietnam. He was a crewchief/machinegunner on a Huey. His chopper was shot down running air support for a SOG mission. He was too badly wounded to be moved by the other crew members (also wounded). When the Medivac came he was nowhere to be found. Then the Huey was destroyed to keep it out of enemy hands.
My mom couldn't watch We Were Soldiers or Blackhawk Down (or any other war movie with helicopters).
Fisk; I don't agree at all, but I can understand your point of view.
I just believe it should be your own choice. You shouldn't be forced into these kind of things.
Originally posted by Renderking Fisk I’ll get trashed for saying this.
I think The Service should be mandatory for every adult male here in the United States. Not put everyone into hot spots like Iraq an Afghanistan… or anywhere you would put professional solders. Nope… inspecting cargo carriers coming in from over-seas, fire the complete incompetent and RETARDED baggage inspectors at the airports, and round up the ILLEGAL Aliens from Terrorist nations.
Give boys a year or two between High School and college so they can figure out what they want to do.
Don't call baggage inspectors retarded...that's an insult to retarded people.
Seriously, people with Down Syndrome are more competent than most airport employees, and twice as friendly.
Small countries need mandatory armies, that comes for granted. If the tight spot comes, five million Finns can probably arm about a million men (or little less) to defend their country. And as VP well stated out there, the official name of this entity of service really is the Finnish Defense Forces. Defense. There is not a single time in history when this army would have performed an offensive attack.
With US... well, I can think of one thing why the army isn't mandatory out there. Money. Anyone have any idea how much would it cost to train generation after generation? And besides, US has weapons like far-reaching warheads and such that really don't encourage to go on an offensive against them (and now I mean an actual army of another country, not those prissy terrorists who're not fighting a "honest" war)... you start an invasion and the next thing you see is a mushroom cloud there where your capital used to be.
We don't have anything like that. All we have is the people of this country, hopefully still willing to defend it against any invasion at any costs.
And that honor of defending this country is rooted pretty deep in the history. 60 years ago, we were facing an enemy that had ten times more men on the other side of the lines directed to go against us. This enemy also had better equipment... and lots of more of it.
And for five years... they do nothing but fight. A country that was supposed to be a small bite taking probably five weeks to invade fends off this massive attack. 500 000 against 5 000 000. And no banana. The men on both sides had the same training, they were both mortal men, flesh and blood.
Nazi Germany helped Finland in the Continuation War, Finns knew the locations, they were smart and they had sisu. The last one is the most important one.
But it is still a miracle, and this thread is off-topic.
The desire to protect your home, family, friends, neighbors and country will always be stronger than an invader's. It's been proven countless times throughout history.
Military service was abolished in France not so long ago (I'd say about five years ago) which is good news if you ask me.
I don't think anyone should be forced into military actions. Because what if you're drafted in a war that you're firmly opposed to? (Not if your country is beeing invaded but if it's actually the invader in a pre-emptive war for example). Democracy allows everyone to have an opinion and democratic countries should respect that. Of course I'm beeing a little idealistic here but...
Hahaha! I've heard that joke before about surrendering before....
To help get this thread back on topic, are those current votes from ALL FEMALE members or are some of you GUYS casting in your votes as well? *Shudder*
Originally posted by VP Finn must join The Finnish Defence Forces. If he doesn't want to, he must go to non-military service. If he doesn't want to do either, he will be punished.
The same goes with every male Finn. Even me.
Here in the USA if you want to get out of the military draft all you have to do is go to your physical in women's underwear and talk to your self like you have an imaginary friend and tell them your gay. I bet this would work in most countries.
The way I see it if your not willing to look a man in the eyes and take his life with your bare hands then your not fighting for a just cause.
Re: Finn teaches historical war symbols, part three
Finn,
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn Frenchmen:
They lift their white flags and go yelling "we surrender!"
I've heard (seen) this joke before like most of Anti-french pre Irak war jokes. I must admit I thought you were on a higher level. this joke belongs to history-frustrated ignorants who have never given the time to open a history book. but I'll forgive you for not knowing what you're talking about because I don't know much of the Finnish history.
Let me prouve this joke wrong:
France has never been afraid to fight a war, it has only resisted into being ordered to do so (Iraq).
The Gauls faught to death against the Roman empire.
The French emperor Charlemagne subdued all Europe in fourty years of military victories, crushing and occupying barbarian Germany and repelling vast Arab armies.
The Norman French invaded and destroyed the English army in 1066 in the Norman conquest, ruling england for over 350 years. This is why 40 per cent of English words are of french origin.
The French people faught and defeated the English invaders in the hundred years war led by a girl named Joan.
It was France who largely funded the American revolution and helped win the war for America's freedom.
It was the French of the revolution and of Napoleon who for 23 years conquered all of Europe.
It was France who started the draft for all men in 1792
In WW1 France sent 1,800,000 million young men to die in the trenches of hell. If France built a wall like the vietnam memorial for just WW1, it would be 32 times longer.
So what is this joke about? A military startegic error that faild to stop le Blizkrieg and led France to the horrible Vichy government, a totalitarian collaborationist regim led by an overaged racist,
that stole all the country's money and sent all the young men to the STOs. After hosting two world wars and almost 2.5 million victims the country was brought to ruins.
Every town in France, even the smallest burg, has at its center a pillar of granite or marble with the names of the men whose bodies were torn to bit or corroded by some battlefield disease. A whole race of orphans grew up after WWI...and special seats on the subway were designated for those "mutilated in war" including thousands of "sans gueules", men who had had their jaws blown away and yet survived, too horrible to look upon.
I hardly see the French withdrawal attitude or cowardice, maybe you can help me out.
Renderking,
I never disagreed with what you said, i actually thought it was a pretty good idea. I'm against military service, that doesn't mean I'm against any sort of national service. As long as it can't go against ones political opinions then I'm fine with it.
Gilles,
If this thread does not suit this table, then you can move it to the OT table.
Vax,
I know the history of France pretty well. But you were just practically asking for that joke with that post of yours. My apologies.
Anyway, it's pretty narrow thinking if one thinks army is needed just when there is going to be a war. Actually, countries need armies to ensure that the war never even starts. Because, if the country has some kind of force that makes it to appear that an invasion might not be a walk in the park, one never even considers about it. And this is the main idea of countries having armed forces. And again, we'll have to think about the location of course. P'haps a draft is not necessary in France, I admit. The country can possibly gather enough voluntary manpower to have defense forces reliable enough. And not training every man naturally also saves money to be used on other, equally important issues.
Ren,
You talk for mandatory service in the US. Just out of curiosity, have you been in?
Gilles,
This is damn far OT, but damn too interesting to be locked. So please move this to OT section.
