This is a thread for all you other students to rant and complain about homework. I for one think it's a mainly stupid idea. Reading a book and writting an essay is alright once and a while but all that damned "busy work" is quite irratating.
Am I the only one here who is a raging disser of homework?
Unfotunatly I'm living through the "new" bloody system in which if you don't do your homework there is no way you can pass your grade. Arrggghhhh!!!!!!
No kidding. Ugh. If I was a teacher I would make kids read and that would be IT!
Normally I would support essays two but I happen to be doing one right now so they don't seem very just to me at the moment.
Everytime I look at what I have so far I get board and start surfing the web, it's quite a bad habbit.
Homework isn't about what you learn, it's about learning discipline. Show me you know how to be disciplined in a difficult task, and I will reward you with responsibility. It is the same mentality you find in the work place. Only instead of grades, you get $$$...
Originally posted by Strider This is a thread for all you other students to rant and complain about homework. I for one think it's a mainly stupid idea. Reading a book and writting an essay is alright once and a while but all that damned "busy work" is quite irratating.
Am I the only one here who is a raging disser of homework?
I’m not sure, but Strider seems to be extrinsically motivated and Pale Horse intrinsic. However, there is nothing wrong with that. Intrinsically motivated people are usually more successful in life…
Originally posted by Pale Horse Homework isn't about what you learn, it's about learning discipline. Show me you know how to be disciplined in a difficult task, and I will reward you with responsibility. It is the same mentality you find in the work place. Only instead of grades, you get $$$...
Where the hell do YOU work, Horsie???
Speaking from my somewhat cynical point of view deep in the heart of CubicleLand, success in Corporate America has very little to do with discipline. It's all about playing the game. Play the game to get in (who you know, not what you know; know the right buzz words for interviews and resumes). Play the game once you're in (look good in front of the right people). To me, the corporate world bears more resemblance to Survivor (which is in turn is based on Lord of the Flies. It always comes back to LOTF...) than to the ideal set down by parents trying to scare their kids into studying.
However, don't let my jaded opinion kid you, Raffey. Anything really worth having doesn't come without struggle. (Which requires discipline.) And if you think I'm saying that a paycheck from the corporate machine isn't really worth having... you're getting my message. I view it as a necessary evil. It's not just a job that takes hard work... you need that strength of character in your personal life too. Good relationships with family, friends, and the opposite sex takes effort.
Originally posted by Pale Horse Homework isn't about what you learn, it's about learning discipline. Show me you know how to be disciplined in a difficult task, and I will reward you with responsibility. It is the same mentality you find in the work place. Only instead of grades, you get $$$...
How does that explain how supervisors seem to get paid more yet know/work less than you do?!?
I hate hw. That's all I've been doing have lately. For example I have to read half an entire textbook by next week. What the hell? What happen to just reading a chapter or two at a time?
Originally posted by Deadlock Where the hell do YOU work, Horsie???
I don't work. It comes to me. I just direct it to a better place. Lots of money in this line of work.
Besides, "The Raven" give me all I need to live.
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Originally posted by Deadlock Anything really worth having doesn't come without struggle.
Had a girlfriend like that once.
David Addison said it best" "Live hard, Die Fast, Leave Clean Underware"
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Originally posted by Chattering Lal I agree with Deadlock that success has a lot to do with luck. Jim Morrison, Harrison Ford, and Kurt Cobain are great examples of this.
Everyday for the last 10 years, I wish I had the luck and success of Kurt Corbain.
It seems Chatterer is even more metaphysical than I. Suicide as a lucky event in life escapes even me.
Originally posted by Chattar Lal Intrinsically motivated people are usually more successful in life…
That's a very bold statement (I think it is in fact complete the opposite, although it also depends on one's definition of success, which may be different to an extrinsically motivated and intrisincally motivated). Also, anyone who makes a point of saying that intrinsic motivation is better cannot be truly intrinsically motivated themselves. Somewhat paradoxical.
Not to mention that the line between intrinsic and extrinsic motivation is very blurred.
As for homework, I go to the school which offers the greatest amount of homework in the US (actually some say its second to the Rhode Island School of Design, but they just pretty much have lots of painting to do).
Originally posted by Chattar Lal I agree with Deadlock that success has a lot to do with luck. Jim Morrison, Harrison Ford, and Kurt Cobain are great examples of this.
Given a choice of luck and skill, always take luck.
Originally posted by intergamer As for homework, I go to the school which offers the greatest amount of homework in the US (actually some say its second to the Rhode Island School of Design, but they just pretty much have lots of painting to do).
Not to disagree, but I always understood that a Masters in Theology involved the most amout of homework, especially when it comes to the amout of respect you receive.
I know you are smart as a Hawk, but this comment is more of a curious inquisition.
Later through my studies, our homework was actually all voluntary. Or well, I don't know if it was officially, but I knew no teacher who checked it and of course many, me included, didn't do a thing that was not absolutely necessary.
Hmm, perhaps one reason for this was all the new stuff teachers had to stick into our head during a certain period of time and checking the things taught last time would have eaten too much time out of the lessons. After all, they really didn't look your study methods, only thing that mattered was the ending grade and that was judged after course exam and essays to be handed in.
I can't really say if homework is a good thing or not, but I can tell for sure that one down with it is that with very many students, doing the given homework is more or less mechanical process, since in an environment outside school the motivation to learn through means like that can be close to zero. You don't really learn or even make the old things dig deeper into your head that way.
It's a double-edged sword, like so many other things in this world.
Originally posted by Pale Horse Everyday for the last 10 years, I wish I had the luck and success of Kurt Corbain.
It seems Chatterer is even more metaphysical than I. Suicide as a lucky event in life escapes even me.
*bows to the master*
Apparently I need to do more homework.
Let me try to explain my reasons. All of these 3 guys were practically unemployed and then suddenly became extremely famous because of luck, more than skill. For example, Harrison being cast as Indy was such good fortune. We all know that Tom Selleck couldn't play Indy because of Magnum P.I. Also, after watching Harrison play Han Solo you wouldn't say he's a great actor. I still think Harrison has a limited acting range.
Nirvana's mammoth success did not correspond to their skill, they weren't that good. The hype of the grunge scene had a lot to do with it. Kurt Cobain’s suicide has nothing to do with luck; the guy was mental. Also, I was referring to Cobain’s initial success…
Originally posted by Chattar Lal
Intrinsically motivated people are usually more successful in life…
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Originally posted by intergamer That's a very bold statement (I think it is in fact complete the opposite, although it also depends on one's definition of success, which may be different to an extrinsically motivated and intrisincally motivated). Also, anyone who makes a point of saying that intrinsic motivation is better cannot be truly intrinsically motivated themselves. Somewhat paradoxical.
Not to mention that the line between intrinsic and extrinsic motivation is very blurred.
When I say success I don't mean wealth and fame. Intrinsic motivation is motivation associated with activities that are their own reward.
Originally posted by Pale Horse Not to disagree, but I always understood that a Masters in Theology involved the most amout of homework, especially when it comes to the amout of respect you receive.
Sorry, I was thinking undergraduatewise. Anything like a PhD in chemistry could require you to be doing research 20 hours a day and class for the other 4, which is way more than anything.
I still think things like Theology and Art don't really count, because it doesn't seem to me to be homework in the same sense of the word.
Originally posted by Chattar Lal Originally posted by Chattar Lal
Intrinsically motivated people are usually more successful in life…
When I say success I don't mean wealth and fame. Intrinsic motivation is motivation associated with activities that are their own reward.
Yes, that's exactly what I said. In other words, all you're saying is that intrinsically motivated people are successful only by their own lower standards (OK, maybe higher, or comparable, but certainly less difficult to attain).
Originally posted by intergamer Sorry, I was thinking undergraduatewise. Anything like a PhD in chemistry could require you to be doing research 20 hours a day and class for the other 4, which is way more than anything.
I still think things like Theology and Art don't really count, because it doesn't seem to me to be homework in the same sense of the word.
I Hate Homework!
