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Old 02-22-2005, 03:06 PM   #1
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Thumbs up the gun indy should have used

indy used a webley 38 revolver ,very solid gun yet it was clunky and lacked any real stoping power .
i feel that the colt 1911 .45 cal would have been a wiser choice.

1. the 1911 would stand up to the riggors of travel just as well as the webley

2.the 1911 holds more rounds

3.the 1911 is faster to reload

4.1911 has a smaller profile,makeing it easy to hide

5.semi autos are easy to break down for repair/cleaning ,double action revolvers are not as easy to repair in the feild

6. the .45 cal bullets will tumble when they hit bone(you get hit in the knee and it comes out of your ass-crack)

7.the .38 cal may fire flater(less drop) than the .45 cal ,but its stoping power is weak makeing the target more likley to flop around. the .45 on the other hand left a hole you could slip your wrist in to
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Old 02-22-2005, 03:37 PM   #2
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bah that aint nothing compared to an ak47

Or a missile launcher


Now speaking seriously i really dunno why he used a webley been that a british weapon (i think), when as u said he could have used a smith and wesson as he did in raiders or a colt
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Old 02-23-2005, 01:00 AM   #3
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Thumbs up yah but......

the colt 45 began production in 1911
after ww1 ended surplus .45 pistols were dime a doz.
indy could have goten one quicker than a british made webley
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Old 02-23-2005, 01:48 AM   #4
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Is a Webley the same gun used by the Belgians in WWI and if so Indy served with those guys and would haved been used to the gun.
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Old 02-23-2005, 02:07 AM   #5
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well, im not sure about the belgians, but it was the reglamentary pistol for the British army
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:26 AM   #6
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indy used a webley 38 revolver

No he didn't. In Raiders he used a Smith & Wesson .45 ACP Hand Ejector 2 with a shortened barrel. In Temple of Doom he used a Colt New Service M1917. In Last Crusade he used a Webley & Scott .455 Mark VI.
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:48 AM   #7
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Question

Any clue as to the pistol that Indy handed over to Belloq
at the beginning of Raiders? S&W? I would imagine it was
the same prop used in later parts of the film...
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:50 AM   #8
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nah dont think so, my guess its a different pistol, anyone got any ideas?
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:56 AM   #9
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Jones-Jr.com says that it was a Smith & Wesson 1917. Here's a couple of pics:

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Old 02-23-2005, 09:58 AM   #10
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is that the same S&W than in the rest of the movie??
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:28 AM   #11
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"should" was the main word

thank you vp the info you posted shows indy has no fear of larger bore handguns.and that he needed stoping power.
i feel the 1911 should have been his gun is all,

if you were indy what would use ?
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Old 02-23-2005, 11:12 AM   #12
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A Uzi Israeli machine pistol, maybe.
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Old 02-23-2005, 11:28 AM   #13
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if you were indy what would use ?
Black Powder 44 CAL revolver.

Im old school
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Old 02-23-2005, 11:32 AM   #14
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indy used a webley 38 revolver ,very solid gun yet it was clunky and lacked any real stoping power .
i feel that the colt 1911 .45 cal would have been a wiser choice.

I think you made a decent case for the practicality of the 1911. I also think that the original creators of Indy were on the same page, but decided to replace the Colt with the Browning HP (Hi Power) for practical reasons.

It is said that this gun is preferred by the movie industry and may have been used in the filming of Raiders as a stand-in for a .45 because 9mm blanks are more reliable than those of .45 caliber, resulting in fewer re-takes.

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I heard that 9mm Browning HiPowers are often used in films instead because they take blanks easier. Is Indy's backup gun actually a Colt .45? The original idea was to have Indy carry the big Colt 1911 A1 in the first drafts, but in later revisions it was determined that the Browning model 35 (Highpower) should be put in it's place, as the acquisition of blanks and adapters would be much easier for the movie prop man to obtain, considering they were shooting the movie on two different continents. The actual scene, according to Lee Kepler, was to show Indy go to his desk while talking to Marcus (just before going after the Ark), pull out the big Smith in the rag AND the Browning and determine which gun to take. He would have determined to take both, and toss them into his suit case. It was decided to cut the scene short, and he only pulled out and tossed the one revolver in the shot. His explanation of how he obtained the P-35 was to say he got it in a poker game with a Belgium officer. This would be logical, as the P-35 was only adopted and put into military contract with European forces technically 1 year before Raiders even took place. It would be extremely doubtful that Indy could ever find one in the commercial market at that particular time. The interesting thing about the comparison between the Colt .45 ACP and the P-35 .9mm is that the .45 holds 7 rounds, where the .9mm holds 13. If you take the time to actually count to number of times Indy fires the semiauto in the Nepal gun fight, the count conforms with the number of rounds held in the big Colt. If he had a fully loaded P-35 when he pulled it out of his pocket, he probably would not have had to reload during the fight at all. But after all these years of debate, it has finally been determined that was the P-35 that he pulled out at Nepal and on the freighter, and the additional behind the scenes explanations only came about within the past few weeks. Michaelson
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Old 02-23-2005, 04:28 PM   #15
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I'm not being a kill joy, so keep discussing despite my opinion...


Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else think Steve, Harrison, and George didn't care what kind of gun he used as long as it looked the part? I mean, we don't say "he should've used a camel hide Johnson-Mark whip instead of a leather PvP whip." (I just made those names up).


Besides, if I were Jones, I would've skipped the handgun and went straight to the bazooka...although a bazooka can be a bit clunky for those archeological digs...and chase scenes.

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Old 02-23-2005, 04:38 PM   #16
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bah , he didnt look too tired when he was about to use it in ROTLA, maybe he should have kept it for the other movies
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Old 02-24-2005, 12:59 AM   #17
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webley blew my mind

webley ,you said you would use a black powder .44
i thought for shure you would say "id use a webley"?
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Old 02-24-2005, 05:24 PM   #18
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.45

Got to throw in with Hat. Indy should have carried a 1911. (Although the 9mm Browning was designed by the same guy: John Browning) In the movie poster I have for Raiders, I always thought the grip sticking out of the holster looks more like a 1911 than a revolver anyway.
Hat is right about knockdown power. The .45 kicks butt.
I have to carry a .40 on duty (I always thought a .40 was a compromise for people who didn't feel like they had enough gun with a 9mm but couldn't handle a .45) but my off duty guns are .45s. Yes, I have 1911.
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Old 02-25-2005, 12:58 AM   #19
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darn tootin

the colt 1911 was used from w.w.1 untill 'nam
i think indy would have known a clasic when he saw it .the gun has stood the test of time
JUST like the indy movies have.
raiders of the lost ark may be an old movie yet it is still more fun to watch than most of the crap put out today
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Old 02-28-2005, 11:27 AM   #20
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the crap put out today

To quote yourself, "Darn Tootin".
Also, it is interesting to see that many of the HRTs, Spec War teams, and many PDs have gone back to the venerable .45. How come? Stopping power. Last I knew, the FBI HRT was using Para-Ordnance, and the D-Boys (Delta Force) used the .45 since the beginning. Guess they know a good thing when they see it.
(I still think the gun in Indys holster on my poster is a 1911)
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Old 02-28-2005, 02:59 PM   #21
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Yeah - the 1911 is a great gun - but let's not count the Webley MKVI out of the game so easily.

That pistol was developed before WWI and used throughout both world wars, especially popular with British fighter pilots of the WWII period.

The Webley is built like a tank - hard to break and takes a lot of punishment. Yeah - it's not so accurate at longer ranges, but peace be with the person who takes a round from it at short range. (wince)

Indy was no fool for carrying it in Last Crusade. It's an intimidating pistol with the power to match.

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Old 02-28-2005, 04:46 PM   #22
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Always thought Indy's gun would have been ... should have been the 1911. Pretty sure that was the intention in the original script. At least we know it was a 45 automatic in Nepal.

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From the Raiders of The Lost Ark Script
Indy is poised there, the whip in his right
hand, a .45 automatic raised toward them in his left...

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. Indy's .45 barks and the Nepalese dies spinning
against the bar. Indy fires in the direction of the
Mongolian...

I believe the Browning used in the bar was indeed a "stand-in" for a 1911 Colt 45.
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Old 02-28-2005, 05:30 PM   #23
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I rather like the Webley. I'd use the updated Webley MK VI .455 over older Webleys, though.

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Old 02-28-2005, 05:50 PM   #24
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Webley MK VI .455

A friend of mine has a MK VI that was converted to...
.45 ACP!!! Go Figure.
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Old 02-28-2005, 10:13 PM   #25
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He should have used a Mauser broomhandle automatic pistol

http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/o_shiigi/soza...ada/mauser.gif

it used high calliber bullets that could knock down a guy from a long range
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