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Old 10-14-2004, 01:22 AM   #1
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The Headpiece to the Staff of Osiris

Far too often we wind up discussing the same things. New members come in with old questions, and without any news on the Lucasfilm/Paramount front, we, as fans are left with a void. Thankfully for me, there is the USA Network here in America, and from time to time, they show the films cut and edited for content. As some of you know Raiders is my choice for the best film of the three, and IMO Last Crusade is the perfect film from a screenwriting perspective (at least out of the three).

Tonight, Raiders of the Lost Ark is on, and as I was sitting here grieving for a close friend of mine recently passed away, I found the numbing action of playing solitaire and listening to Raiders to be some comfort. Then, all of the sudden, something sparked in my mind in true fan-boy fashion. I had to write.

If Belloq wasn’t using the headpiece for the staff of Ra, whose was it?

Follow me if you will. The headpiece was an Egyptian device to locate treasures (etc) on a map of the city. The Ark was a Hebrew treasure. Therefore the warning on the backside of that particular headpiece was significant. But that also implies that maybe there were other headpieces. Belloq was certainly using one, and maybe there are more, each for different treasures (treasures being an open-ended word).

In addition, it can be assumed that there is more than one staff. The staff of Geb, the staff of Bastet, the staff of Hathor…(Ra being sun, Geb being earth, Bastet being cats, and Hathor being music) Each staff must have had significance.

What then, would happen to someone who had the Headpiece to the Staff of Osiris? And what treasure (or curse) would it be? Would that make a good spin off?
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:33 AM   #2
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Sorry to hear about your friend Pale horse.
I hope you are ok.



A spin off. That is something to think about.

But I thought the headpiece Belloq used was made from the burnmark on the nazi's hand.
That explains the writing on one side.

But what you are writing is something to think about.
You are a writer right. Maybe you should write a story or a script.
Make us proud.
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:40 AM   #3
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*snicker, Indy 4*
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Old 10-14-2004, 02:47 AM   #4
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Hmmm.
Do you know something we dont?

Please tell me your doing the rewrite on Darobont's script.
If not. then you should.

Or is your real name G. lucas?
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Old 10-14-2004, 08:44 AM   #5
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Hmmm.
Do you know something we dont?

Please tell me your doing the rewrite on Darobont's script.
If not. then you should.

Or is your real name G. lucas?


At this point, I don't know who is who on these boards. Nothing would surprise me.

That would be a very unique way to tie in Indy IV w/ Raiders. Only time will tell...

Subtle hints about Indy IV from moderators:
1. Tom Selleck having a part
2. One of the old villans returning
3. Alternate staffs leading to treasure/curse
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Old 10-14-2004, 09:58 AM   #6
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Re: The Headpiece to the Staff of Osiris

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If Belloq wasn’t using the headpiece for the staff of Ra, whose was it?
Actually, this is clearly explained in the movie where Belloq got the headpiece... I'm suprised someone around here even is oblivious.

Sallah saw a piece exactly like the one they had in their possession, but it had etching only on one side. Belloq didn't use any other headpiece, but a one-sided copy made of the Ra's headpiece. (That's how he never knew to take back one kadam.)

The million dollar question: Where did he get a copy of just one side?

Hint:
"Heil Hitler."

Rings a bell?
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:00 AM   #7
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I thought he got it from Toht's hand, too, like the hammer said.

???

EDIT: to give the hammer credit.

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Old 10-14-2004, 10:11 AM   #8
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Re: Re: The Headpiece to the Staff of Osiris

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Actually, this is clearly explained in the movie where Belloq got the headpiece... I'm suprised someone around here even is oblivious.

Sallah saw a piece exactly like the one they had in their possession, but it had etching only on one side. Belloq didn't use any other headpiece, but a one-sided copy made of the Ra's headpiece. (That's how he never knew to take back one kadam.)

The million dollar question: Where did he get a copy of just one side?

Hint:
"Heil Hitler."

Rings a bell?


Yes, but Thot arrived in Tanis AFTER Sallah saw the men in the map room. What were they using before Thot arrived?
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:13 AM   #9
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How can you tell that, exactly? The film indicates no timing for Toht's arrival.
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:44 AM   #10
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What about the storm that is happening outside with Marion in the tent, after Jones arrived in Tanis?

The same storm that Indy is working through on the top of the Well of the Souls?
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:39 AM   #11
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When Toht first appears after the adventure has arrived to Egypt ("Heil Hitler" -scene), the setting is in bright daylight. It's true that even this happens after Sallah tells Indy about the headpiece, but remember that Dietrich only indicates that "he has a man for the job", not "a man who has just arrived". Besides, Sallah says at the Imam's that he saw Belloq discover the location of the well "this morning". Toht could have been there at least as long as Indy.
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:43 AM   #12
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True, true, I had my scenes a bit reversed.

But I also always believed that the burn on Thot,s hand was actually the warning. (Just my opinion really)

So there may be some speculation concerning the chance for multiple headpieces, But most certainly there is a staff of Ra, could there be other staffs whose heights reveal other treasures?
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:49 AM   #13
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Of course, this is always a possibility. I see where you're going... an adventurer, (not namely Indy) finds out a headpiece for some of those "other staffs", visits the Tanis map room and gets taken to a whole new adventure... not an impossible equation.
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:36 PM   #14
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I think they made a replica, using the burnmark on Toht's hand as a model. I mean, really, they didn't need anything too elaborate, just something circular, with a crystal in the center, and an attachment for a staff. When you think of how easily it is for prop replicators like Relic_Raider to knock one out in a couple of days, I believe they just had an artisan crank out a copy.
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:38 PM   #15
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True, true, I had my scenes a bit reversed.

But I also always believed that the burn on Thot,s hand was actually the warning. (Just my opinion really)

So there may be some speculation concerning the chance for multiple headpieces, But most certainly there is a staff of Ra, could there be other staffs whose heights reveal other treasures?


I like that as a possible unrelated story, not within the Indy canon. If you are thinking about writing something like that, go for it, dude! I would look forward to reading it.
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Old 10-14-2004, 05:03 PM   #16
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Re: The Headpiece to the Staff of Osiris

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What then, would happen to someone who had the Headpiece to the Staff of Osiris? And what treasure (or curse) would it be? Would that make a good spin off?


The spin off you are describing sound a lot like a Brendan Fraser movie that will remain nameless.
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:23 PM   #17
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Strangly enough, I posted this theory over at COW only a few days ago. It was in a thread about the walls of the map room. The problem is that there is a large picture of the ark painted on the wall, implying that the room was built expecially for the ark, and since the city was destroyed soon after, nothing would be added after the ark. HOWEVER, nothing is preventing oter artifacts from being hidden before the ark. Shishak could have just decided to make the artifact he hid the most important (pharohs did that sort of thing. Plus, there is an entire wall we didn't see that could have the other artifacts painted on it.
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Which leads us to our next question...

...what other artifact(s) could be hidden there?
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Old 10-15-2004, 12:50 AM   #19
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If Christ has an Anti-christ, then perhaps the Lost Ark, has it's dark mirror as well. Eqyptian vs Hebrew, Pharoah vs Moses kinda thing.

The Staff of Osiris which uses the moon light and the constellations to bring out the Crown of Insolence

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Old 10-15-2004, 10:38 AM   #20
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I hope you didnt spend time creating that chart there PH.
But anyway...what about Moses' staff? Maybe the melted remains of Baal? There could be treasures involved! Josephs coat of many colors?
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You guys are forgetting that the ark was built to hold the wrath of God, not to honor it.
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Old 10-15-2004, 10:46 AM   #22
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How about a treasure like the Stone of Solomon. I refer you to the novel "Many Dimensions", by the author Charles Williams:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

I don't know if this really existed, but I'm reading the book now, and real or not, it's making for an excellent read!
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Old 10-15-2004, 11:10 AM   #23
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You guys are forgetting that the ark was built to hold the wrath of God, not to honor it.


No, the Wrath of God only comes from the Ark, when you approach it with a disrespectful manner. It was built to provide man to opportunity to come before God, "It's a radio for talking to God".

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I hope you didnt spend time creating that chart there PH.


No, its a simple chart depicting the Great Bear in the Northern Sky

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a BEAST rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. - Revelation 13:1

Bear mythology follows many cult religions around the world. There is also a sharp repremand in Deut. not to return to Eqypt and her ways.

I could take this much further by tying in Diana (the Greek goddess whose symbolic animals include the bear, and her ties to the Merovingian bloodline and her emasculating nature in her lesbian habits, but then I would be scaring you all too much.
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I could take this much further by tying in Diana (the Greek goddess whose symbolic animals include the bear, and her ties to the Merovingian bloodline and her emasculating nature in her lesbian habits, but then I would be scaring you all too much).
Roman goddess. The Greeks called her Artemis. Generally the same deity, but the name really matters can she be called Greek or Roman. Accuracy with these things.
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dagnamit, you know I try to be accurate with these Finn. I appreciate your critique, truly
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