Conspiracy theories are fun and entertaining. I wan't to know what conspiracy theories any of you have heard that don't sound utterly ridiculous. Or even if they are utterly ridiculous maybe they're at least funny.
I'll start with the Philidelphia Experiment. this was supposedly a test during WWII on equipment that would make battle ships invisible to enemy radar and sonar. The test ship was the U.S.S. Eldridge. I forgot exactly how they did it, but they were using some unproven theory of Einstein's involving huge magnets and curving light and such things. Anyway, when they turned the magnets on, the ship disappeared not only from radar, but from the naked eye as well. It reappeared and the entire crew was reported to be very nauseous so they brought in a new crew and tried it again. The ship disappeared again and this time it reappeared and was seen in Norfolk, Virginia where it disappeared from after a few minutes and reappeared in Philidelphia. This time the crew members that were left were extremely nauseous and some had even disappeared forever and a few of the men were fused into the metal of the ship. Part of the conspiracy is that people have been trying to keep this quiet since it happened. I never took any of this as fact, but I thought it was interesting. What is even more interesting is that I first heard about the Philidelphia Experiment from Wikipedia and now it turns up nothing on the experiment or the U.S.S. Eldridge. And even if this was proven to be untrue, Wikipedia would still have the article, but would say it was a hoax. I'm just wondering why the article was deleted. Fortunately I printed the article on paper a while ago. The main thing I'm skeptical about is why would it reappear in Norfolk? Norfolk just happens to be another naval base. Maybe the ship just went to a place it had spent a lot of time before for some reason. I need to do a lot of research to understand the science of this theory.
That's a classic example of a conspiracy theory. I love hearing about things like this so tell me more that I might not know. And I think we can skip the JFK assassination because it's pretty much been proven that Oswald was not the assassin or at least not the only one and everybody knows about it.
The most important thing to remember about the Oswald lone shoter theroy is, that One man, if he was a decent enough shot, and able to operate his weapon in a combat style manner was able to pop off the rounds that killed JFK. No problem!
I'm not really sure how much research you have actually done but there have been many scientific experiments done at the scene. One in particular used very modern computer technology and determined that the shot that killed Kennedy most certainly did originate from theat room in the book depository. I always get riled up about this.
FACT: There were groups that had reasons for wanting to kill JFK. The Mob, Castro, etc.
FACT: Lee Harvey Oswald was the assasin and yes, he did act alone. Oswald was a very unstable man and had exteremy anti-American views. This alone does not make him a murderor but the fact is that even his own family members have said many times that Oswald was the gunman. They remember him purchasing the rifle and many forget that he also killed a police officer after fleeing the scene.
I know many believe that the JFK assissination was a conspiracy but the facts remain that even to this day, there is ABSOLUTELY no eveidence to suggest otherwise. Some people say they heard other shots coming from different directions. This is very easily explainable. In the panic of the moment, people become disoriented and lose track of not only time, but also their bearings. What they heard was the echo of the rifle against the square. If anyone has been there, you would know what I mean. I was in Dallas in 2004 and got a chance to go to the area.
There are still some people there who try to make a buck by opening up stores and profiting off the whole conspiracy idea but again, the facts, both scientifically and logically point directly at Oswald.
Sorry, I know others wanted him dead but they didn't ever get the chance. Oswad beat them to it.
Yeah I just went to a web site and found this computer reenactment of the assassination and it says that there basically is no way the final shot could have come from the grassy knoll. I didn't know this thing was still under speculation. They also showed the trajectory of the second bullet based on the entry and exit wounds in Kennedy and Connally and they followed the line back and it went straight to the sniper's nest. So according to them, at least the second shot definitely came from the sixth floor of the building Oswald was in. So now it's looking like it was Oswald and only Oswald, but I still am not convinced either way. I could call this proof that it was just Oswald, but then I also thought I had seen proof that it wasn't Oswald.
I also heard about the landing on the moon being staged. Not sure about that one either. That's why I love conspiracy theories, they encourage you to question everything including themselves. Did anybody see Wag the Dog?
How 'bout Elvis being an alien and being taken back to space or Walt Disney's head being Cryogenically frozen people make conspiracies (sp?) out of the strangest things.
My favorite is that the catholic church is funding a cloning project to help establish a new messiah and regain the world dominance in religion once again.
The most important thing to remember about the Oswald lone shoter theroy is, that One man, if he was a decent enough shot, and able to operate his weapon in a combat style manner was able to pop off the rounds that killed JFK.
It wasn't realy just race to the moon. It was everything about space explorations. Russians launched the satelite before Americans, first living being, first man. They even landed first on moon. Just without anybody onboard. The only thing left realy was puting a man on a moon.
So Kennedy sad "WE will put a man on the moon". And NASA menaged to do so.
That was very riscy thing to do. The amount of computer power they had back then is something like an average calculator today. They basicly followed thier insticts, and trusted their science. It was close, but they did it.
The pharmaceutical industry has had cures for Parkinsons, Aids, Cancer, for several years now, but is purposely keeping it off the market because there is no money to be found in cures, only treatments.
The American Government invented Aids and Cancer long ago as a form of population control, and those flu shots we take each winter actually contain aids/cancer/diabetes... etc.
or Walt Disney's head being Cryogenically frozen people make conspiracies (sp?) out of the strangest things.
There are some variations on that particular urban legend. The one I heard was that Uncle Walt's body was frozen and buried beneath the Pirates of the Caribbean attraction at Disneyland. However the tale is told, the fact remains that Walt was never frozen, in whole or in part.
I guess you could say it is a personal feeling but I would also say that maybe 99.999% of logical people would agree that we did land on the moon that day. This number excluding those out there who try to find a conspiracy in even the most benign of events.
"maybe" 99.999%, yes. it may be but is very unlikely. i for one think that the moon landing happened at that date but i'm far from certain. there are good reasons against it and although i don't share this belief, i think it is a valid point of view. and as none of us can tell for sure, it's just like religion - not a question of right and wrong but a question of the validity of views.
and for somebody who believes in god, i find it very strange of you to claim that there is "no evidence".
"there are good reasons against it"
Against landing on the moon? No there aren't... There are crack-pots and paranoid ravings.... The facts are that we landed there, multiple times..... we brough back rocks that could ONLY have come from the moon....
And we LEFT STUFF THERE that we're still capable of tracking and interacting with....
"i think it is a valid point of view"
Not in the least, sorry.
"maybe" 99.999%, yes. it may be but is very unlikely. i for one think that the moon landing happened at that date but i'm far from certain. there are good reasons against it and although i don't share this belief, i think it is a valid point of view. and as none of us can tell for sure, it's just like religion - not a question of right and wrong but a question of the validity of views.
and for somebody who believes in god, i find it very strange of you to claim that there is "no evidence".
I don't really care if we were there or not, I have talked with Niel Armstrong enough (he was a regular in my old restaurant in Co., to Know we were there, but the Bigger question is, what good did it do us?
The real theory is we built a death ray on the moon, that we have almost completed, which is why George W. wants us to go back!!!!!!!
You surprise me like this from time to time. Do you maybe have a list of all the interesting people you meat in your profession?
No meeting and getting to talk to interesting people hapen all the time, meeting and taliking to intersting famous people is a different story, I have been lucky, but wine seems to attrack some really intersting people. We just had Eddy Vedder from the rock band Pearl Jam at the winery as he is big wine fan. One of the most random was Robin Quivers from Howard Stern came to visit during a vacation wiht an old High school friend. Wine is a really social thing and brings people together. You just never know who you will end up next to at restaurants and places. It is fun!
Did you ever meet some famous guitar player?
They like wine too. This is kinda cruel to say if you know how Jimi Hendrix died. He drank to much wine and he drowned in his own puke.
If you want to get technical, I don't think any of us know for sure if people landed on the moon. I know I don't. I know I've seen a picture of an American flag sticking out of the ground which looked like white dirt, but I was told that it was put there by American men who I was told were the first people to land on the moon. I didn't go to the moon and confirm this. I didn't test the sample they brought back with them and find out it wasn't of this earth myself. I also don't know whose hands that picture went through before it was published in my history book in elementary school. Maybe it was really taken on the moon by NASA at the time they said it was taken or maybe there was a small group of people who set that picture up in a studio somewhere under the supervision of the government and one of them accidentally let the word slip. I would say the probablility that the moon landing was genuine is pretty strong though. Also, I think if they had it staged, they would have tried pretty hard to keep Apollo 13 quiet while it was happening and it was big news at the time. I guess they couldn't refuse the astronauts' requests to talk to their families though.
I could have "faith" that we landed on the moon but why would I need "faith" when there is evidence pointing right to it?
this wasn't exactly my point. i was referring to the non-believers. the people who think that the moon landing DIDN'T happen are similar to your belief in god.
evidence points to the "fact" that god doesn't exist. and evidence points to the "fact" that the USA landed on the moon that day.
but still people feel there is something missing because a god would be fitting and there is no undisputable PROOF against him but some hints that he might exist. and still people feel that the USA simply might have faked it as they were in desperate need of this success. there is no undisputable PROOF that we were on moon, the astronauts found nothing that we didn't know before - and there are some hints that the evidence might be faked.
i don't think it is so. but i wouldn't be much surprised if some day it was revealed that it *was* fake. i think, as for religion, both is a valid point of view. those who "believe" believe, those who think they "disbelieve" simply "believe" the opposite. my opinion. evidence might support one or another view but unless we've reached the ultimate truth, wrong and right is not to be determined.
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I would like to know what evidence you feel points to the contrary. I certainly won't pick you apart on this but I really am curious to see if anyone can make me doubt whether it happened. I have heard most of the theories and don't feel they stack up.
sure.
let's approach this as a detective story.
- did the USA have a motive?
yes. they needed a success in space after the soviets had made such a notable start. it was a question of prestige and much, much money.
- did the USA have a chance?
yes. if somebody had the money and the experience with film and television, the americans had. they knew how things should look and they knew how they could make them look like the real thing.
- so where is the evidence?
photos and videos bear traces of fakes. not every conspiracy theory about the photos is valid. most is ridiculous, because many "mistakes" would have to have been made deliberately as it is much harder to make them than to avoid them. but some photos indeed show strange stuff. they might be real but nevertheless they look... "unlikely".
and, as i've said, they didn't do anything notable on moon. of course this might have been expected. but it looks suspicious. "left nothing but footprints, took nothing but photographs", in a way.
and america drew much attention to this first mission. what if they failed? this could have been the end of the space program. are you sure that there were no "backup ideas"? america has proven very often that it can keep things secret from the world and their own people. i find it hard to believe that the most important mission for prestige since world war II was just a honest and clean undertaking. it seems unlikely to me because the risk was so great to make a real mission but it would have been so easy to fake it. this doesn't sound like the american way of thinking to me.
so i DO think that they've thought about faking it. i also think that they decided to do the real thing because they COULD. but if or if not they faked it, seems to depend on minor factors. they could have faked it and they would have faked it and they would have had some real good reasons to do so. that's what makes me think that both views are valid.
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I also heard about the landing on the moon being staged. Not sure about that one either. That's why I love conspiracy theories, they encourage you to question everything including themselves. Did anybody see Wag the Dog?
Yeah, I've seen that. Good movie. They made it out that America was at war with some country people hardly knew to cover something that the President or the White House done. Forgivew me if I'm wrong. I haven't seen that movie in ages.
Here's my favourite conspiracy. Hitler didn't kill himself and escaped to Argentina.
Here's my favourite conspiracy. Hitler didn't kill himself and escaped to Argentina.
Substitute Hitler with Martin Bormann, etc. Actually, I've read a book called The Berkut that implied that Hitler may have escaped and was later captured by the Russians and kept under wraps. A good book by the way. Not meaning that I believe it at all but it is a good book.
That's exactly what Wag the Dog is about, Violet. I wonder how much of this actually happens in the news to mislead us from what is really going on. The News stations probably wouldn't even know it was fake. I think Wag the Dog is inspired by what was happening during the Monica Lewinski scandal, which was the stupidest reason to impeach a president ever. I can't beleive they would even think about impeaching Clinton back then and they're not talking about impeaching Bush now. Anyway, I don't remember exactly what happened, but I think there was supposedly some crisis going on and we were "on the brink of war" and all this and a lot of people think it was to distract us from the Lewinski thing. This is why I never put complete trust in the news.
There was also a movie called The Boys From Brazil in which infamous Dr. Mengele is hiding out in Brazil and making clones of Hitler.
or Walt Disney's head being Cryogenically frozen
