Brace yourselves! - The first wave of negative buzz

[Agent Spalko]

My fear is that the Ark will lose it's supernatural mysticism and become a radio for speaking with E.T.'s the way Lucas ruined the mystical Force with the scientific explanation of Midiclorians. F'n George.

 

[crowmagnumman]

My fear is that the Ark will lose it's supernatural mysticism and become a radio for speaking with E.T.'s the way Lucas ruined the mystical Force with the scientific explanation of Midiclorians. F'n George.

That would kind of suck.

 

[Hedwig]

My fear is that the Ark will lose it's supernatural mysticism and become a radio for speaking with E.T.'s the way Lucas ruined the mystical Force with the scientific explanation of Midiclorians. F'n George.

Yeah... The Ark is/was so mysterious, powerful weapon of some sort, and it destroyed the ones who came and were too greedy about its powers...
Sorry, about being stupid and ignorant, but what are those Midiclorians?

 

[metalinvader]

Sorry, about being stupid and ignorant, but what are those Midiclorians?

From urban dictionary...

Midichlorian

Word imagined by George Lucas to totally ****-up The mysticism surrounding the force in Star Wars.

The Midichlorian created Anakin

from wookieepedia

Midi-chlorians were microscopic life forms that existed inside the cells of all living things. While they were not the Force itself, they formed a link to it, acting as a sort of sensory organ through which it could be perceived. Midi-chlorians enabled the perception of the Force just as having eyes allowed people to see light or having ears allowed them to interpret vibrations as sound. If an individual had enough midi-chlorians in their body they could use them to communicate with the Force. In essence, midi-chlorians were the connection between a being’s mind and the Force, enabling certain sentients to intentionally manipulate it, or allow themselves to be manipulated by it.

I prefer the Urban Dictionary definition myself.

 

[Hedwig]

Thanks, metalinvader! I prefer The Urban Dictionary definition too.

 

[xVendetta17x]

Explaining the Force was stupid
The wookieepedia definition is just gibberish to me

 

[Adamwankenobi]

My fear is that the Ark will lose it's supernatural mysticism and become a radio for speaking with E.T.'s the way Lucas ruined the mystical Force with the scientific explanation of Midiclorians. F'n George.

I disagree. To everything mysterious in our own world, there is a reason somewhere out there for it... we may never know what it, is but it's there. Some people create illusions based on this (aka, religion), and then try to suppress the search for the answers.

For the Star Wars universe, Lucas simply explained the answer to how people communicate with the Force. It's analogous (in some ways) to physicists uncovering the secrets of our universe, which then pisses off everyone who has their illusions debunked.

 

[Agent Spalko]

I disagree. To everything mysterious in our own world, there is a reason somewhere out there for it... we may never know what it, is but it's there. Some people create illusions based on this (aka, religion), and then try to suppress the search for the answers.

For the Star Wars universe, Lucas simply explained the answer to how people communicate with the Force. It's analogous (in some ways) to physicists uncovering the secrets of our universe, which then pisses off everyone who has their illusions debunked.

And therein lies the problem. George feels he must EXPLAIN everything! The Force needed no explanation and neither does the mysteries of the Ark, Sankara Stones, Grails, Crystal Skulls, etc. That is the realm of myth that science cannot explain and one of the aspects I love about the Indy films that make the MacGuffins so ominous. To come out and say that extraterrestrials built the Ark and pull a Chariots of the Gods and say that all religions were derived from a hyperintelligent alien race who built the pyramids and colonized the Earth, etc, etc, etc, is the domain of science fiction of which violates the basis of plausibility which the Indy films are grounded it. Opening the Ark and unleashing the power of God may be a suspension of disbelief but its a credible one. Leave the alien conspiracies to Mulder & Scully, not Indy.

 

[Raiders90]

And therein lies the problem. George feels he must EXPLAIN everything! The Force needed no explanation and neither does the mysteries of the Ark, Sankara Stones, Grails, Crystal Skulls, etc. That is the realm of myth that science cannot explain and one of the aspects I love about the Indy films that make the MacGuffins so ominous. To come out and say that extraterrestrials built the Ark and pull a Chariots of the Gods and say that all religions were derived from a hyperintelligent alien race who built the pyramids and colonized the Earth, etc, etc, etc, is the domain of science fiction of which violates the basis of plausibility which the Indy films are grounded it. Opening the Ark and unleashing the power of God may be a suspension of disbelief but its a credible one. Leave the alien conspiracies to
Mulder & Scully, not Indy.

How is the belief in a God (and thus belief in the ''power of God'' and an ''Ark'') plausible or credible when we know of many different scientific theories which could explain the beginning of the universe? It's not. It's based on faith, even Christian Churches will be willing to admit that. It's no more plausible than to say that there is not other, more intelligent life (which may, for mysterious and ominous reasons, taken an interest in the early life of humanity and helped it along) in a universe which could possibly be endless in scope and distance. We have no true, concrete proof of either; we only have faith. The idea of Aliens is something that science is not yet able to explain away as well.

Saying where the Ark comes from doesn't make it any less powerful or any less ominous. It may lessen the mystery a little, but if you believe that God created this Ark or inspired it's creation, then there is no mystery at all, because you know where it came from and what it was for (As a dwelling place/transmitter for speaking to God); With that knowledge, Aliens would actually be more mysterious than the Ark (because, if it's not explained in the film) we don't know where they came from or why they came here.

The Indy films aren't plausible; they're an escape from reality. That's the point of them. A fun, action and adventure filled escape from reality. A good way to enjoy 2 hours. So are Sci-Fi movies. They're not religious works or documentaries, and they include some very implausible elements (which I've mentioned in another thread) which are no more implausible than Aliens.

The Sci-Fi B-Movies are to the '50s what Adventure Serials were to the '30s, which is what the original 3 Indy movies (which took place in the '30s) were paying homage to. Since this film is set in the late '50s, it's only logical to include referrences to the Cold War and to pay homage to the Sci-Fi B-Movies of the 50's, which were spawned from the fears of the Cold War, which was coming to a peak in '57 and would get even more intense in the '60s.
The idea of Hitler having an interest in religious artifacts in the '30s is very real to the time period; likewise, in the 50s, there was an intense interest in the possibility of aliens on the part of both the government and the general public.

To go even further, including Mutt is also fitting to the time period as Greasers and early Rock N' Rollers were common from the mid 50s to the early '60s, just as debonair, cuninng men in their wide-brimmed fedoras (and sometimes leather jackets too) such as Indy were common in the '30s and '40s. Adventure Movies from the '30s, '40s, and into the 50s had men with fedoras, leather jackets and the like in them (check out the Indy's influences section). Both Mutt and Indy are creatures of their eras so to speak.

 

[Adamwankenobi]

How is the belief in a God (and thus belief in the ''power of God'' and an ''Ark'') plausible or credible when we know of many different scientific theories which could explain the beginning of the universe? It's not. It's based on faith, even Christian Churches will be willing to admit that. It's no more plausible than to say that there is not other, more intelligent life (which may, for mysterious and ominous reasons, taken an interest in the early life of humanity and helped it along) in a universe which could possibly be endless in scope and distance. We have no true, concrete proof of either; we only have faith. The idea of Aliens is something that science is not yet able to explain away as well.

Saying where the Ark comes from doesn't make it any less powerful or any less ominous. It may lessen the mystery a little, but if you believe that God created this Ark or inspired it's creation, then there is no mystery at all, because you know where it came from and what it was for (As a dwelling place/transmitter for speaking to God); With that knowledge, Aliens would actually be more mysterious than the Ark (because, if it's not explained in the film) we don't know where they came from or why they came here.

The Indy films aren't plausible; they're an escape from reality. That's the point of them. A fun, action and adventure filled escape from reality. A good way to enjoy 2 hours. So are Sci-Fi movies. They're not religious works or documentaries, and they include some very implausible elements (which I've mentioned in another thread) which are no more implausible than Aliens.

The Sci-Fi B-Movies are to the '50s what Adventure Serials were to the '30s, which is what the original 3 Indy movies (which took place in the '30s) were paying homage to. Since this film is set in the late '50s, it's only logical to include referrences to the Cold War and to pay homage to the Sci-Fi B-Movies of the 50's, which were spawned from the fears of the Cold War, which was coming to a peak in '57 and would get even more intense in the '60s.
The idea of Hitler having an interest in religious artifacts in the '30s is very real to the time period; likewise, in the 50s, there was an intense interest in the possibility of aliens on the part of both the government and the general public.

To go even further, including Mutt is also fitting to the time period as Greasers and early Rock N' Rollers were common from the mid 50s to the early '60s, just as debonair, cuninng men in their wide-brimmed fedoras (and sometimes leather jackets too) such as Indy were common in the '30s and '40s. Adventure Movies from the '30s, '40s, and into the 50s had men with fedoras, leather jackets and the like in them (check out the Indy's influences section). Both Mutt and Indy are creatures of their eras so to speak.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Agent Spalko]

If you need an explanation for life, the universe and everything, the answer is 42.







Kind of takes the mystery out of the universe, dontcha think?

 

[xVendetta17x]

Haha, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy rules!