Soundtracks?

I assume the game is cheap on eBay at the moment. Heck, I bet Wiis are cheap now...[/QUOTE]

I think it depends on whether you buy the console new or used. I saw some up for sale on Amazon; the used ones vary from $25.00 (plus shipping) and up whereas the new ones vary from $225.00 and up. Either way, still less expensive than when they were first released!

As for the game, that one in particular would be a good buy! It's got tons of extra content (no DLC here), a new co-op campaign and an updated version of Fate of Atlantis!!!:D
 

micsteam

New member
I had this game on PS2 and it was horrible, is there a difference between the Wii and PS2 versions ??

(Mods: are we alright here with this or take to game section ??)
 
I can't verify with 100% certainty due to the lack of high quality, complete walkthroughs (without commentary) available on YouTube. But, to my knowledge, the PS2 version was a rushed port of the Wii - hence, the problems you pointed out - so, apart from the frame-rate and gameplay, it should be pretty much the same in graphic and sound design.

If you still have the game, would you be willing to see if the audio can be extracted? We would greatly appreciate it!

Also, I don't know much about Mods. Do they tend to impact/alter a game's soundtrack?
 

Attila the Professor

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Staff member
flyingace1939 said:
Also, I don't know much about Mods. Do they tend to impact/alter a game's soundtrack?

We don't usually, no. :hat:

Anyway, micsteam, I'd say this is a solid, long-running thread, and it's probably better if the discussion of the game focuses on its potential as a music source, but obviously, if anyone is thinking of buying the game for that purpose, <I>some</I> curiosity and discussion of its other qualities is far from out of place.

There is, of course, a good thread about that game here.
 

micsteam

New member
Thanks Attila for the link, my questions were answered. It seems the game was bad on both platforms maybe with the exception of the music. :hat:
 

Demitasse

Member
Hot damn, what a bombshell! Sorry for my late arrival to the party- got caught up with a pretty intense move. (n)

Can't wait to get started on these. Glad the gauntlet has been thrown down once again since I missed it the first time around. Tally ho! :whip:
 
Demitasse,

It's never too late (the party never ends)! ;) It's good to have you on board and I hope you're comfortable in your new home!

Curious, does your username mean "half glass"? :hat:
 

Demitasse

Member
flyingace1939 said:
Curious, does your username mean "half glass"? :hat:

(y) Ace, yup, it refers to one of the shotglass type glasses they serve Turkish/Arabic coffee in. Young Indy gets offered one (or is possibly nicknamed that as a codename) at the start of Palestine, October 1917 aka "Daredevils of the Desert".
 
Updated List!

Hello again,

I'd like to thank you guys for the great feedback you've been offering! I'm really glad to see that there are people who are interested ... (y)

I just thought I would share an updated version of this list as, since I originally posted it, it came to my attention that I missed an additional, unknown track which I also speculate to be from the show, and previously, unreleased! Plus, I found a much better quality version of the track "Secret Basement under 'Tan's Exotic Imports'" (#5).

In addition I managed to identify 2 other tracks which eluded me before! Panama mission's "Knocking the Three Stone Heads" (#11) is from Treasure of the Peacock's Eye, and plays during the scene where Indy and Remy encounter the giant stone frieze in the museum at Alexandria. Istanbul's "Turkish Spider Tunnel" (#17) is from Laurence Rosenthal's unreleased score of Morocco, 1917, the second half of Tales of Innocence! It is used for the witty banter exchange between Edith Wharton and Sheikh Kamal.

I also thought it would be a good idea, and would make it much easier, if I embedded the SoK walkthrough videos in my post, rather than just paste the links ... I didn't think of how having eleven different tabs open simultaneously in a browser can be a royal pain in the a**! As always, any help or insight you guys can offer is greatly appreciated! Even if you have only the faintest of ideas, please, don't hesitate to sound off! ;)

Smaller changes have been made, most notably with the formatting of my notes. I hope I have made them more organized by providing labels written in bold, which I think more clearly discern the *Identified* tracks from the mysterious ones, and have also written the episode titles in italics (which I intended but forgot to do in my first post):p .

FYI: I am planning on creating a new thread in the Young Indy forum dedicated to my list, where it can hopefully gain some more attention, as this post does run a little long (at 20 or so pages) and perhaps, it gets overlooked here. For those who are interested, I will post the link below once it's been shared, but I will still continue to post all updates in this thread too!

Cheers,
flyingace1939 :gun:

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1) Starting Menu - *Identified*: Untitled ["Archduke's Palace" (background/source music)] from Perils of Cupid/Vienna, 1908.

Walkthrough Duration: 0:16 - 0:48 DVD Duration: 0:29:22 - 0:31:08

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2) Sudan mission (Combat Tutorial) - *Identified*: "Connecting the Cable" (Incomplete) from Espionage Escapades/Prague, 1917.

Walkthrough Duration: 9:26 - 14:03
DVD Duration: 1:24:49 - 1:25:40, 1:26:23 - 1:27:42, & 1:29:15 - 1:29:37


3) Sudan mission (Combat Tutorial) - *Identified*: "Dogfight with the Red Baron" (Possible Extension) from Attack of the Hawkmen.

Walkthrough Duration: 14:03 - 16:12 DVD Duration: 0:33:57 - 0:34:45

(Video Above)

4) Chinatown mission ('Black Cat' Crossing) - Unknown Track

Walkthrough Duration: 1:07 - 1:21


5) Chinatown mission (Secret Basement Under "Tan's Exotic Imports") - Unknown Track.

Walkthrough Duration: 4:40 - 5:04 & 5:19 - 5:48

(Video Above)

6) Chinatown mission [The Star of the Orient (in-game cut-scene)] - *Identified*: Untitled ("The Great Wall Scene") from Journey of Radiance/Peking, 1910.

Walkthrough Duration: 4:47 - 5:05 DVD Duration: 0:57:05 - 0:57:22

(Video Above)

7) Panama mission ('Recovery' from the Shoot-out in the Mayan Ruin) - *Identified*: Untitled ("Plan ... has ... failed") from Daredevils of the Desert.

Walkthrough Duration: 11:29 - 11:40 DVD Duration: 0:59:10 - 0:59:18


8) Panama mission [In-game Cut-scene (Indy Overlooking the Camp at the Lagoon)] - *Identified*: Untitled ("The Lighthorsemen Behold Beersheba") from Daredevils of the Desert.

Walkthrough Duration: 12:30 - 12:46 DVD Duration: 0:58:20 - 0:58:36

(Video Above)

9) Panama mission (Shootout at the Falls/Temple of the Three Rivers) - *Identified*: "Assault on Gaza" (Extended) from Daredevils of the Desert.

Walkthrough Duration: 3:11 - 4:45 DVD Duration: 0:00:28 - 0:02:59


10) Panama mission (Entering the Sacred Tree Room) - *Identified*: Untitled ["It's Beersheba!" from Daredevils of the Desert (Hard to hear due to SFX)].

Walkthrough Duration: 8:28 - 8:50 DVD Duration: 0:49:18 - 0:49:33

(Video Above)

11) Panama mission (Knocking the Three Stone Heads) - *Identified*: Untitled ["Alexander and His Troops" from Treasure of the Peacock's Eye (Again, hard to hear, listen carefully)].

Walkthrough Duration: 17:09 - 17:22 DVD Duration: 0:15:00 - 0:15:17

(Video Above)

12) Panama mission (Mayan Astronomy Puzzle) - Unknown, Possible Extended Track (Fragments from previous Lego Indy Games).

Walkthrough Duration: 13:20 - 15:43


13) Istanbul mission (Trapped with the Nazi Agents) - Unknown Track.

Walkthrough Duration: 3:56 - 5:03


14) Istanbul mission (Third Descent into the Catacombs) - Unknown Track.

Walkthrough Duration: 21:01 - 22:08

(Video Above)

15) Istanbul mission (Activating the Final Statue) - Unknown Cue.

Walkthrough Duration: 30:32 - 30:50

(Video Above)

16) Istanbul mission (Floor Puzzle solved/Final Battle with the Nazi Agents) - *Identified*: Untitled ("First Battle with the Pirates") from Treasure of the Peacock's Eye.

Walkthrough Duration: 31:32 - 33:00 DVD Duration: 0:46:08 - 0:48:16

(Video Above)

17) Istanbul Mission (Turkish Spider Tunnel) - *Identified*: Untitled ("Edith and the Sheikh" from Tales of Innocence/Morroco, 1917).

Walkthrough Duration: 0:20 - 0:51 DVD Duration: 1:16:03 - 1:16:37


18) Nepal Mission (The Chasm) - Unknown Cue.

Walkthrough Duration: 5:42 - 5:48


19) Nepal Mission (Demolishing the Boulder) - Unknown Cue.

Walkthrough Duration: 15:27 - 15:35

(Video Above)

20) Nepal Mission (Entering the Nepalese Temple) - Unknown Cue.

Walkthrough Duration: 0:11 - 0:22


21) Nepal Mission (Solving the Reed Basket Riddle) - Unknown Track.

Walkthrough Duration: 6:57 - 7:33

(Video Above)
 
flyingace1939 said:
I don't know much about Mods. Do they tend to impact/alter a game's soundtrack?

Just wanted to apologize to micsteam and Atilla for any confusion here; it has taken me until now to realize that "Mods" are short for "Moderators". Since we were talking about the game, I thought micsteam meant "Mods", as in user-generated "modifications" to games! :eek:

Demitasse said:
(y) Ace, yup, it refers to one of the shotglass type glasses they serve Turkish/Arabic coffee in. Young Indy gets offered one (or is possibly nicknamed that as a codename) at the start of Palestine, October 1917 aka "Daredevils of the Desert".

Sweet! Yes, I remember that scene with Indy drinking tea with a young Ben Miller in a cafe! Although, I think in that scene they are drinking out of china cups ...? :D
 
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MDew said:
I was just listening to the classic John Williams score for "Hook" and my ears perked up - see if you notice any similarities between these two tracks...

Incredible ...! The resemblance is uncanny! Good find, MDew!(y)

It makes sense that Williams would have been an inspiration for McNeely working on Phantom Train in '92 to '93, as evidenced by his harkening to cues and themes lifted from The Last Crusade. In particular, notes from "The Belly of the Steel Beast/On the Tank" appear in "The Phantom Train of Doom" and "Indy Hijacks the Balloon"!

That being said, Hook was released in 1991, at least a full year before production on that episode. Due to it's striking similarities, can one assume there's a slight case of plagiarism, here? :eek:
 

InexorableTash

Active member
When in doubt, I blame temp music.


It wouldn't surprise me a whit if McNeely were given marching orders in the form of temp music.
 
Thanks for sharing that, Tash! That's very true about the MCU music, although I think Patrick Doyle's main theme for the first Thor movie, and Alan Silvestri's scores for Captain America and The Avengers are the exception to this. Oddly enough, those haven't been used since the end of Phase 1, and the studio has instead opted to use these bland, soulless scores heard in the video. (n)

Overall, the message of the video is positive: if you want to make something unique/original, why compromise it by using old methods?

It does make me feel a little down, though. :( I never used to think temp music was a bad thing: I was under the impression that it helped inspire the composers creativity and/or create a framework to match the filmmaker's vision. Well, lesson learned. :hat:

When I made amateur films with my high school buds, I usually provided material from big budget Hollywood movies to whomever did the editing - especially if I was the one who wrote the script (if you could call it that). :p Those pieces of course would make it into the final product, which is understandable, because none of us were musicians and we needed a soundtrack! Besides, there was no profit motive behind these films to begin with, so copyright(s) didn't worry us. Yet, still ... before we would start filming, I always imagined each individual scene in my head played to the beat of music that I had already heard before and loved. I became so emotionally attached to those pieces, that I was absolutely convinced they had to be there in the same way I imagined them and nothing short of that would do. Though I don't make amateur films anymore, I'm still guilty of applying this same mistake to other things ...

... which leads me to a query: for those of us 'artists' who are not 'musically savvy'; how do we instruct a composer on how to properly represent our work, without forsaking originality and the composer's own creative liberty? :confused:
 
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InexorableTash said:
It wouldn't surprise me a whit if McNeely were given marching orders in the form of temp music.

Regarding this: did Laird work on the Phantom Train movie, by any chance? Perhaps, he might have some recollections on what kind of temp music might have been used?
 
flyingace1939 said:
Mods: Is there a way to merge these two posts together in order to not make a double-post?

Clarification: I want to merge the post I made at the top of this page with the last post I made on the previous page.
 
More identified tracks!

Was hoping to get this out before the new year, but better late than never. Happy 2017, everyone! :whip:

Good news: I've managed to identify five more elusive tracks! The bad news (sort of) is that only four of those five are from Young Indy. That's right, I made a blunder, and included music from the feature films, albeit still unofficially released. We can cross off track #20 from our list and just keep it 'on the back burner' so to speak. "Entering the Nepalese Temple" is in fact the alternative track to Raiders' "Indy Rides the Statue", but to the best of my knowledge it has never been included in an official release of the film's soundtrack (nor does it appear in the actual film). Curiously, a YouTuber by the name of 2041 Productions has uploaded this very piece, take a listen:


The original source might've been from a bootleg of the recording sessions or something. I have not been able to find out for sure. Does anybody know the true source of this music? Either way, its cool to know that SoK is rich with unreleased music from beyond the TV series - amazing, when you consider the vast library of music the game's developers had access to! I wonder what other forgotten gems might be scattered throughout the game ... :D :cool:

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Onto Young Indy:

1) I would like to make a correction to track #3, which plays during the second half of the Sudan mission's combat tutorial. A while back, Tash pointed out that some unused music from Attack of the Hawkmen appears briefly, here. At the time, I was not able to identify this new music, so I just sort of brushed it off as an extension to the already existing "Dogfight with the Red Baron". Further examination of the video has lead to me discover that Tash is in fact, correct. While "Dogfight" is predominantly featured, it is mixed with roughly forty-five seconds of the unreleased "To the Chateau". Here's a breakdown with the video for reference:


Walkthrough Duration: 14:03 - 16:12

Track Breakdown:
i) "Dogfight w/the Red Baron" (previously released on DVD) 14:03 - 14:51
ii) "To the Chateau" (unreleased) 14:51 - 15:24*
iii) "Dogfight w/the Red Baron" (resumes) 15:24 - 16:12

DVD Duration: 0:24:25 - 0:25:00* ("To the Chateau" plays during the short scene where Hobey Baker takes off in his biplane to rescue Indy, who had just been shot down by the Baron Von Richthofen!).

2) Another suite was arranged for track #12, Panama mission's "Mayan Astronomy Puzzle", this time using music from Oganga: The Giver and Taker of Life/Congo, 1917. The unreleased portion in question is exactly fifty-two seconds from "Petty Bureaucrat With a Gun". It is mixed with two previously released tracks, "Rostand's River Arrest" and "Delirious Indy".


Walkthrough Duration: 13:20 - 15:43

Track Breakdown:
i) "Rostands' River Arrest" (previously released in Lego Indy 2) 13:20 - 14:00
ii)"Petty Bureaucrat w/a Gun" (unreleased) 14:00 - 14:52*
iii)"Delirious Indy" (previously released in Lego Indy 1) 14:52 - 15:43

DVD Duration: 1:17:41 - 1:19:38* (All of these tracks, except "Delirious", are used during the night-time arrest of Albert Schweitzer. It is unfortunate that there is still approximately one minute of material missing from "Bureaucrat", because that preceded by "River Arrest" and arranged with OST #2's "Albert Schweitzer, Prisoner of War", would have made the score for this climactic scene complete).

3) A little more streamlined; track #14, Istanbul's "Third Descent Into the Catacombs" relies on "You Look Uncomfortable" from Trenches of Hell/Germany, 1916. It too does not appear to be in it's complete form as only one minute of its run time can be heard in the walkthrough (in the episode, it clocks in around two and a half minutes).


Walkthrough Duration: 21:01 - 22:08

DVD Duration: 0:54:54 - 0:56:17 ("You Look Uncomfortable" is used for the scene when Capt. Heinz confronts and intimidates Benet in the prisoner's quarters. Benet retorts: "It must be that smell Captain Heinz. The smell of Germany, the armpit of Europe!" :p P.S. I mean no ill will to any German people).

4) Finally, we have yet another piece from Daredevils of the Desert; track #21, Nepal's "Solving the Reed Basket Riddle" is from an unreleased track which I named "Thirsting for Water" (not very original I know, I am open to any other suggestions) :eek: .


Walkthrough Duration: 6:57 - 7:33

DVD Duration: 0:47:51 - 0:48:24 (As suggested by the made up title, this is a scene where the British and Australian Lighthorse Regiment are subjected to the sweltering Arabian sun while on the trek to Beersheeba. They are literally thirsting for water because they're supply is almost dried up and their horses are perishing in the desert).

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That's it for now! I hope that despite not owning the actual game, I have been able to provide so far, the best possible, clear and concise guide that I can muster. Please don't hesitate to holler down below if you have any questions or concerns, as I would be happy to address them! Also, I would like to know if scene descriptions (like the kinds made in this post) for each of the identified tracks would be helpful in understanding their episodic context? Some of my earlier finds don't have them, as you may be able to tell. On a different matter, would you guys also like a complete updated list with these recent changes implemented? For that, I would post it in my separate thread here.

Cheerio,
Ace :gun:
 
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