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View Poll Results: Pick up to 3 locales you'd like to see in Indy V, not necessarily as a group
Africa, west and/or central 5 20.83%
Africa, southern and/or east 2 8.33%
Oceania, including Australia 6 25.00%
the Caribbean and/or central America 5 20.83%
East Asia, including China, Japan, and Korea 12 50.00%
southeast Asia, including Indonesia 8 33.33%
Russia and central Asia 6 25.00%
northern Europe, including the British Isles and Scandinavia 6 25.00%
the Arctic or Antarctic 11 45.83%
someplace else! 2 8.33%
the Middle East or the Mediterranean, again 1 4.17%
South America or the US, again 2 8.33%
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Old 11-06-2016, 12:01 PM   #1
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Indy V Settings: What locations are left?


Matt Busch map seen above discussed here.

Apparently, we didn't have a single generalist thread on this up until now.

Closest we came was an excellent thread, "Hey, Lucas & Spielberg here are some locations!", started by Indy's brother, but that was more about posting images of stunning locations suitable for the screen. Some similar material shows up in Indy 5 visual wish list, particularly later on.

As usual, a review of other existing materials:

Monkey King: Strip it for parts? - a pet thread of mine, advocating a little for a haunted house, maybe in east Asia, and advocating a lot for Africa.

Idea for a snow bound Indy 5 - an early essential thread digging into snowy and icy types of environment, with, as I recall, discussion of Russian, Alpine, Scandinavian, and Chinese possibilities.

Indy V is in China??? - a relatively deep dive on China as a possibility, with some consideration of the political reality both then and now, which also begets some posts on Australia and Oceania.

Your Wish Locations for Indy 5 - a thread that didn't quite get traction but which does mention a few places.

Hitchcockian Indy V - apart from discussion of some geographic options, this is mainly relevant as its a discussion of vehicle-as-place, most specifically a train.

I think the only "Frontier" left for INdy V HAS to be an [Asian one] - as you'd guess, makes the case for a return to Asia as a natural next step, but also brings in some other possibilities.

Some casting/character threads touch on this issue too, but maybe we'll look at those further down the line.

The Globetrotting Indiana Jones? - finally, some obligatory pushback on how integral to the concept going to multiple countries is.

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Any poll has its own biases, but I've tried to weight this one towards broad swaths of the globe that haven't yet been included in any of the four films. Maybe vote for 3 each? Let me know if there's anything glaringly missing here.

It's more complicated than this, but I think there might be 2 primary considerations involved here, apart from any production considerations:

-What's an environment we haven't seen before?
-What's a culture we haven't seen before?

What do you want to see?

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Old 11-06-2016, 04:40 PM   #2
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I would love to see an adventure set either in, or including:

The Caribbean - Jamaica specifically
Central Africa/"The Dark Continent
French Indochina
New York, circa 1960-1964
A snowbound location along the lines of Nepal

Start the pre-title adventure off in Jamaica - and then go from there. We go back to the States and end up in 1964 NYC around the World's Fair. Perhaps Jones is meeting some mysterious agent there who has contacts him with clues about the MacGuffin, and in the rush of the crowd, this contact is killed and Jones gives chase of his murderer. Jones then follows the clues to this latest MacGuffin or follows his enemies to different locations. A nice sequence in each.

This would be an adventure not instigated by some outside body, but by Indy's own desire for some object which has eluded him his whole life. His version of the Holy Grail - the obsession that his father's entire career. We've spoken before about the nature of obsession in Indiana Jones - how each villain, and also Henry Sr., suffer from it. We've never seen what Indy's obsession is. The ultimate piece of fortune and glory.

Forget South America. Too generic. If we have to do the Middle East, let's do a part that we've never explored before - the Promised Land.
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Old 11-06-2016, 10:09 PM   #3
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Arctic/Antarctic
Europe
Russia


Are my three.


I'll add Australia as a fourth.
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Old 11-06-2016, 10:13 PM   #4
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Are there TWO different Crystal Skulls on there? What's the other Human looking one?
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Old 11-06-2016, 10:28 PM   #5
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The crystal skull of Cozan from the novels.
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Old 11-06-2016, 11:15 PM   #6
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The crystal skull of Cozan from the novels.

Too bad they didn't do the human skull in the film. The one we got was horrible.


I'm surprised they went with a Crystal Skull if it had already been done in a book.
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Old 11-07-2016, 09:00 AM   #7
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:11 AM   #8
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I just hope they make it seem more of a sweeping story location wise, like the original was. KOTCS didn't have that scope for me.
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I just hope they make it seem more of a sweeping story location wise, like the original was. KOTCS didn't have that scope for me.

Though with that said, almost exactly half of Raiders's run time is spent in Egypt. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is more extreme in that regard, devoting all but ~37 minutes of its runtime to South America (slightly over two-thirds), but half to what we might consider the Brazil sections, everything after Indy and Mutt are captured at Nazca. About 86% of Temple of Doom takes place in India, about 66% of that at Pankot or its immediate environs. Last Crusade is the most spread out, with 46% of its runtime spent in 4+ European nations (Italy, Austria, Germany, and whatever section of the Mediterranean coast that chase occurs on). Almost exactly one-third of Last Crusade takes place in Hatay. (All of these are estimated based on DVD chapter times given at ChaptersDb.org.)

It seems to me, then, that all of the films do a pretty deep dive on one particular location, with others scattered around to varying extents. So what places can an Indy film afford to spend roughly half or more of its runtime at without covering old ground, literally or figuratively?

(Obligatory link to the Globetrotting Indiana Jones thread.)
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Old 11-08-2016, 09:51 PM   #10
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The other thing to take in consideration is where they can film safely coz chances are with the issues in the Middle East and even some parts of Africa and even Europe to a small extent could be difficult to film in (partly why I based my choices on Asia and Russia, snow places and island locales).
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:39 AM   #11
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Central Africa, Australia and Russia. That's pretty far apart, but plenty of adventuring therein.
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:25 PM   #12
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Though with that said, almost exactly half of Raiders's run time is spent in Egypt. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is more extreme in that regard, devoting all but ~37 minutes of its runtime to South America (slightly over two-thirds), but half to what we might consider the Brazil sections, everything after Indy and Mutt are captured at Nazca. About 86% of Temple of Doom takes place in India, about 66% of that at Pankot or its immediate environs. Last Crusade is the most spread out, with 46% of its runtime spent in 4+ European nations (Italy, Austria, Germany, and whatever section of the Mediterranean coast that chase occurs on). Almost exactly one-third of Last Crusade takes place in Hatay. (All of these are estimated based on DVD chapter times given at ChaptersDb.org.)
If we measure things solely by geographic range, as in how many miles Indy covers over a movie, it's funny that people say they think KotCS had a narrow one, when in reality ToD was far more guilty of it. Indy's only major hop is from Shanghai to India, which is shorter than it takes to go from US East Coast to Peru.

I can see where that misconception probably comes from, though. To a western viewer, Far East may feel notably more exotic than the Americas.
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Though with that said, almost exactly half of Raiders's run time is spent in Egypt. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is more extreme in that regard, devoting all but ~37 minutes of its runtime to South America (slightly over two-thirds), but half to what we might consider the Brazil sections, everything after Indy and Mutt are captured at Nazca. About 86% of Temple of Doom takes place in India, about 66% of that at Pankot or its immediate environs. Last Crusade is the most spread out, with 46% of its runtime spent in 4+ European nations (Italy, Austria, Germany, and whatever section of the Mediterranean coast that chase occurs on). Almost exactly one-third of Last Crusade takes place in Hatay. (All of these are estimated based on DVD chapter times given at ChaptersDb.org.)

It seems to me, then, that all of the films do a pretty deep dive on one particular location, with others scattered around to varying extents. So what places can an Indy film afford to spend roughly half or more of its runtime at without covering old ground, literally or figuratively?
I just picked KOTCS out of the hat as that was the last one, but as mentioned TOD also falls under the same category of not seeming too expansive.

What I like about the original is not only are you changing country, but you're changing location type too. It just seems to give the film more scope.

There aren't really many more places for Indy to go that he hasn't covered already I guess. But bearing in mind what Disney did with TFA in terms of making sure it hevaily references the original trilogy in its look, makes me convinced that Indy 5 will follow a similar path as Raiders or TLC.
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There aren't really many more places for Indy to go that he hasn't covered already I guess. But bearing in mind what Disney did with TFA in terms of making sure it hevaily references the original trilogy in its look, makes me convinced that Indy 5 will follow a similar path as Raiders or TLC.

He's been to, what, 13 countries in the films, at best? That leaves many, many more places that he hasn't covered.

I grant your point about ensuring some continuity, but Spielberg and Ford and Williams will all be there for that; that is, those who were in charge and setting the tone are still largely in charge, Lucas excepted.

I guess my question becomes this: do you think think Indy 5 will follow a similar path in that it will go to similar places (desert sequence, university sequence, etc.), or that it will go to a similar number of places (bouncing from one to another)?
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Can't help but thinking that at least as important as the locations in which the story is set are the locations in which the story is filmed. On the face of it KOTCS was as well travelled as Raiders and Crusade, but the actual filming told of a lazy approach, with filming taking place almost entirely in the US, compounded by at times embarrassingly hokey sets and painfully unnatural lighting.

Not only does the story ideally need to travel widely, but this needs to really be believed by the viewer when immersed in the film itself to my mind.
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I believe the choice of at least some of the locations will hinge on whether or not they stick to decade-pertinent themes and film style(s), a la Lucas.

If they do, and chose the 60s as the time setting, it's almost inevitable that at least part of the action will be in the U.S. and/or U.K. (hippies, Beatles etc.).
If they add a spy angle to the story, then add USSR, China or Berlin to the list of likely locations.

If they eschew those time-related references (my favorite scenario), then they have a lot more options and can go for remote, exotic locations, along the lines of what's been suggested upthread.
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I believe the choice of at least some of the locations will hinge on whether or not they stick to decade-pertinent themes and film style(s), a la Lucas.

If they do, and chose the 60s as the time setting, it's almost inevitable that at least part of the action will be in the U.S. and/or U.K. (hippies, Beatles etc.).
If they add a spy angle to the story, then add USSR, China or Berlin to the list of likely locations.

If they eschew those time-related references (my favorite scenario), then they have a lot more options and can go for remote, exotic locations, along the lines of what's been suggested upthread.

Hippies didn't really come into play until the late 60s. You easily set it up to any time prior to 1965 without any Hippies and without Indy looking out of place. For example these pix of regular folks from 1964 I found on google:

http://eatonvilletorainier.com/wp-co...370551_o.j pg



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Old 11-12-2016, 09:09 AM   #18
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Hippies didn't really come into play until the late 60s.
This is only partly true.
Hippies in rural America in the early 60s? Probably not.
In large cities like NY (a location you suggested yourself)? Absolutely.

Besides, if they take the Lucas approach they would want to show them, and nobody in today's popcorn crowd would be outraged by the sight of hippies in, say, 1963.
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This is only partly true.
Hippies in rural America in the early 60s? Probably not.
In large cities like NY (a location you suggested yourself)? Absolutely.

Besides, if they take the Lucas approach they would want to show them, and nobody in today's popcorn crowd would be outraged by the sight of hippies in, say, 1963.

Wrong. Look at these shots of the 1964 NY World's Fair. Not a long haired Hippie in sight. People dressed very old fashioned...Not all that differently from 1957, actually:






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Even in the 1930s, "Indy's Era", "spacey" thoughts were already on people's minds. Exhibit A, a diagram of a future "robot pet" from the 1939 World's Fair:


Another robot on display from the 1939 Fair:


Even the information booth at the 1939 fair was futuristic:
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You are missing the point.

First of all, any self respecting hippy back in the 60s wouldn't be seen dead at the World's Fair.

More importantly, as I said earler, if Disney adpot the Lucas approach they would make sure they show some hippies as a cultural reference.

Even if they choose the Fair as a location, all they need is to show Indy walking through the Village before or after and voila', here are the hippies in their natural habitat.
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You are missing the point.

First of all, any self respecting hippy back in the 60s wouldn't be seen dead at the World's Fair.

More importantly, as I said earler, if Disney adpot the Lucas approach they would make sure they show some hippies as a cultural reference.

Even if they choose the Fair as a location, all they need is to show Indy walking through the Village before or after and voila', here are the hippies in their natural habitat.

You really don't understand how the 1960s worked, do you?
You also seem to forget George Lucas is no longer in creative control. He has no power over anything but basic ideas. See: TFA didn't suck.
The entirety of the 1960s was not Hippieland.

These are all photos from the Village taken between 1961 and 1964. I don't see any love beads or long hair.






Hippies didn't really start appearing until 1965, 1966. And I really, really doubt Indy V will be set any time after 1964.

"No self respecting Hippie would be seen at the world's fair"...You'll have to run that by some aging hippie friends of mine whose fondest memories, prior to Vietnam, were of the World's Fair.

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Since you insist on posting random internet pix as conclusive proof of your theory, you may want to check what Wiki has to say on the matter.

The word hippie came from hipster and was initially used to describe beatniks who had moved into New York City's Greenwich Village and San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district..

I rest my case.

By the way, I completely agree that Lucas not being part of the core creative group for Indy 5 is not necessarily bad - but my hippie theory is only applicable IF Disney choose to follow the Lucas approach.
I aready stated this twice, but you decided to ignore the caveat for reasons that are unclear to me.

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Since you insist on posting random internet pix as conclusive proof of your theory, you may want to check what Wiki has to say on the matter.

The word hippie came from hipster and was initially used to describe beatniks who had moved into New York City's Greenwich Village and San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district..

I rest my case.

I think one concept evolved into the other in some respects - particularly a linguistic one - but are not equal to one another. There's certainly a visual difference.

I fear, though, that we're overstating the Lucas approach to period. I think the 1950s may have been a one-off case, with that period being a clear enthusiasm for Lucas, as seen in both American Graffiti and that 1950s diner in Attack of the Clones. The approach to the 1930s is not as stereotypical; there aren't any mobsters or bank robbers or any sign of the Depression, for example. The youth culture also had a clear reason for being included in KotCS in that we were introduced not only to Indy's son, who needed to be defined against the sweater and poodle skirt set we see at the diner and on campus, but to an older Indy, who needed to be defined against youth itself.

I think it's very possible we're going to see Indy on campus, because that's become the formula, but I don't think we're going to see him in the States other than that. They did that the last time. The World's Fair, the Village...I doubt it. And at any rate, we can certainly hope they get in some new territory.

There's more than enough to choose from...
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I think the 1950s may have been a one-off case, with that period being a clear enthusiasm for Lucas, as seen in both American Graffiti and that 1950s diner in Attack of the Clones. The approach to the 1930s is not as stereotypical
I certainly hope it is a one-off, Attila.

You are absolutely correct that the approach to the 30s was not as stereotypical, and that is one of the reasons why to me KOTCS sticks out like a sore thumb.

My favorite scenario for Indy 5 is a standalone adventure with minimal references to the previous movies and the time period, set in remote locations almost in its entirety.
I can live with a brief campus scene, but would rathed not see any more U.S. based action.
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