The Magic Rat
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Morning Bell said:
I get a lot of crap for liking that scene from my bozo friends who are on the Indy IV hate bandwagon. I loved it.
And I liked the wedding, so sue me.
Little things that make KOTCS awesome....
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I get a lot of crap for liking that scene from my bozo friends who are on the Indy IV hate bandwagon. I loved it.
And I liked the wedding, so sue me.
StoneTriple
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Dr.Jonesy said:
They're all Blu-ray except for one. They were originally posted on this board by -Jones-, in this thread; http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=12272
I just re-sized them to 800 so they wouldn't jack the thread way wide.
The shadow on the car grab came from the main page, in the trailer screencaps section. http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/gallery_trailer_01.php
Don't know what their source was.
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Dr.Jonesy
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Oh yeah, found this video from the premiere!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKeqD8w2fb0&feature=related
They all loved it!
I'm finding all these videos asking fans who just saw it, or just simple YouTube reviews, and they all love it. But the comments are infested w/ hate and some people saying they LOVE the film.
The only place I see hate is on IMDB and the YouTube comments. The video reviews and fan comments on some other sites and YouTube vids love it.
I don't see where people say this film is so hated when I see so much love for it everywhere.
IMDB and the YouTube comments is the place I see the most hate. I don't know why. Other than that, I see love for it everywhere.
I seriously believe the majority loved the film. Always have.
I have no life, believe me, and have done alot of research on YouTube and other boards, and people love this film. The haters usually whine in the video comments and sometimes on a forum. Especially IMDB.
I think alot of us have been wrong. Most people don't hate this film. It might be the opposite...
Just thought I'd share that conclusion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKeqD8w2fb0&feature=related
They all loved it!
I'm finding all these videos asking fans who just saw it, or just simple YouTube reviews, and they all love it. But the comments are infested w/ hate and some people saying they LOVE the film.
The only place I see hate is on IMDB and the YouTube comments. The video reviews and fan comments on some other sites and YouTube vids love it.
I don't see where people say this film is so hated when I see so much love for it everywhere.
IMDB and the YouTube comments is the place I see the most hate. I don't know why. Other than that, I see love for it everywhere.
I seriously believe the majority loved the film. Always have.
I have no life, believe me, and have done alot of research on YouTube and other boards, and people love this film. The haters usually whine in the video comments and sometimes on a forum. Especially IMDB.
I think alot of us have been wrong. Most people don't hate this film. It might be the opposite...
Just thought I'd share that conclusion!
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Dr.Jonesy said:
Here's one:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3952/015208rs2.jpg
You can find a ton of great screenshots in the thread that was mentioned above:
http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=12272
A poster named -Jones- provided shots from just about every major sequence of the film. (They start around page 11.)
Indy's brother
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Harrison ford as Indy...he is The King when it comes to "The Look Of Uncertainty":
He does this a bunch of times in KOTCs. It's a big part of what makes him Indy--he's got balls, but sometimes he wonders if they're big enough!
He does this a bunch of times in KOTCs. It's a big part of what makes him Indy--he's got balls, but sometimes he wonders if they're big enough!
What Truck?
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Favorite Moments
1. "Hey! Watcha got under there?!" Becomes pretty epic after one knows how the scene plays out.
2. All the little indicators that the US Convoy is not what it seems: the soldier in the back of the truck shaking his head in disgust, the quick shot of the driver of the truck wearing sneakers, the uncertain look of the driver looking in the rearview mirror.
3. Dovchenko's cinematic reveal - the lace tying was classic Spielberg.
4. Various homages to Spielberg/Lucas' previous films
- Hubcam shot from Duel
- Jawa pod racer shot ala prairie dogs (every time I see the rocket sled scene I here Utini! in my mind and it makes me laugh)
- The ULTIMATE crossover line: "I've got a bad feeling about this." That alone was worth making KOTCS
5. The fact that Indy and Dovchenko are both colonels
6. Little references to the other films:
- Indy getting choked with a chain (LC)
- Indy sleeping with his fedora over his eyes (TOD)
- Indy once again choosing the wrong friends (ROTLA)
- "Oh nuts!" (TOD) just before Indy plummets over the falls
- Indy whipping the tommy gun out of the Russian's hand
- Ark cameo
7. The whole grave-robbing scene - it's hilarious how Indy almost gets caught pilfering artifacts. "It's a good thing we're not grave-robbers." LOL
8. "You're a teacher?" "Part time!"
9. Indy finally getting to use that bazooka.
10. "Dosvedonya, Dr Jones!"
1. "Hey! Watcha got under there?!" Becomes pretty epic after one knows how the scene plays out.
2. All the little indicators that the US Convoy is not what it seems: the soldier in the back of the truck shaking his head in disgust, the quick shot of the driver of the truck wearing sneakers, the uncertain look of the driver looking in the rearview mirror.
3. Dovchenko's cinematic reveal - the lace tying was classic Spielberg.
4. Various homages to Spielberg/Lucas' previous films
- Hubcam shot from Duel
- Jawa pod racer shot ala prairie dogs (every time I see the rocket sled scene I here Utini! in my mind and it makes me laugh)
- The ULTIMATE crossover line: "I've got a bad feeling about this." That alone was worth making KOTCS
5. The fact that Indy and Dovchenko are both colonels
6. Little references to the other films:
- Indy getting choked with a chain (LC)
- Indy sleeping with his fedora over his eyes (TOD)
- Indy once again choosing the wrong friends (ROTLA)
- "Oh nuts!" (TOD) just before Indy plummets over the falls
- Indy whipping the tommy gun out of the Russian's hand
- Ark cameo
7. The whole grave-robbing scene - it's hilarious how Indy almost gets caught pilfering artifacts. "It's a good thing we're not grave-robbers." LOL
8. "You're a teacher?" "Part time!"
9. Indy finally getting to use that bazooka.
10. "Dosvedonya, Dr Jones!"
Indy's brother
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What Truck? said:
That was cool, but Indy smacking the Russian in the face with his own rifle right before that sold it for me. Probably because it's more realistic, and realistic=baddass!!!
StoneTriple
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Dr.Jonesy said:
If I remember correctly, there's one in that first thread I linked to. If not there, then somewhere in this section. I know I've seen one on this board somewhere.
*edit*
Next time, I'll try actually reading to the end of the page before I reply.
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StoneTriple
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What Truck? said:
If we could edit posts, I'd go back and ad that one to my visual list. I've mentioned before how awesome the seriousness of that scene is in revealing just how detached and coldblooded Dovchenko really is. To me, it's one of the more emotionally brutal scenes of the four films.
This guy is different than Belloq being snarky, Toht snickering, Mola Ram's comic book turn, Donavan's smugness, or even the meanness of Vogel.
This guy is all about his objective. He's not interested in discussing it, finding the highest price for it, using it to one-up a rival, or celebrating it with a glass of wine. He's just here to get it.
StoneTriple said:
And <I>that's</I> pretty awesome, then. (Although he does still share some Vogel [and to a lesser extent, probably the Chief Thuggee Guard] characteristics insofar as he does have it out for Indy personally once he's been beat by him. To be honest, if there's a fifth one, I'd like to be a Dietrich sort of colonel who's not a part of the fighting. It's been awhile. Even Chatter Lal's got a knife.)
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Attila the Professor said:
I never thought of it in those terms, but agree, one of the more outstanding elements of Crystal Skull.
What do you think of the dispersal pattern of the Skull? It seemed to servie the fight, it would have been cool if it was in a shape that referenced another part of the movie...
StoneTriple
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Something else that really works well to me is a certain musical cue. It's during the warehouse scene. Indy asks for bullets and the Russians laugh him off. Once they see he obviously knows what he's talking about, they comply. It's at this moment that Indy takes complete control of the situation, walking ahead of the Russians as they switch to mode where they are now working for him. It's a very Indiana Jones moment.
On the soundtrack, the piece is titled The Spell of the Skull, and the cue comes at the 3:11 mark. The string section really starts sawing away and it fits the seriousness of the moment perfectly. Great stuff.
On the soundtrack, the piece is titled The Spell of the Skull, and the cue comes at the 3:11 mark. The string section really starts sawing away and it fits the seriousness of the moment perfectly. Great stuff.
Morning Bell
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StoneTriple said:
I agree! The musical cues throughout the film are great and remind me of the previous films. The Raiders March and various bits from the other soundtracks add a great atmosphere to the film.
StoneTriple
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Morning Bell said:
To me, Kingdom is the stronger of the four films in that it has only one or two pieces I skip over when I listen to it. The score has a much darker tone throughout and feels more cohesive than the others.
The theme for the skull itself - Call Of The Crystal as well as Irina's Theme - are probably my very favorite pieces from the four films. They're right there with The Map Room, Marion's Theme, Short Round's Theme, & The Keeper Of The Grail.
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In Irina's Theme, from 1:14 - 1:17 is possibly the finest 4 seconds of music that Williams has ever written.
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StoneTriple said:
All of the new themes (Mutt/Spalko/Skull) were solid and easily fit alongside those found in the previous films. I think many people just allowed the recycled moments to overshadow the entire score for them. If Williams had simply created a new motif for the "knowledge" scene, I don't think the recycled moments would have become an issue.
Irina's Theme is particularly well done, as it perfectly conveys both aspects of the character: The harsh soldier that is committed to her country, and the scientist that is driven by her own curiosity.
Darth Vile
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StoneTriple said:
'Irina's Theme' always strikes me as a darkside version of 'Across The Stars' (AOTC) as it has the same progression/structure. You have to love it.
James said:
I agree. I actually think KOTCS is Williams' best score in years. A bit like the actual movie, if you cherry pick musical moments from KOTCS, they stand up perfectly well against the other movies (better in some cases). And as I've stated on other threads, if there is any issue with the KOTCS OST, it's that they put too many tracks on it. Cut it down to 10 or 11 tracks and it's a really concise/strong score (IMHO).