DVDVerdict on KOTCS...At Last, a Fair Review!

kongisking

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What follows below is an excerpt from a DVD Verdict review of the Blu-ray 2-Disc edition of Crystal Skull. I really thought that this critic had his heart in the right place, and everything he says in his evaluation of the movie 100% echoes my thoughts. These words perfectly express my opinion of both the movie itself and fan?s appalling reactions. Please read this.*

* I?ve also highlighted what I think are the most important points, to save any Anti-KOTCSers the trouble of having to read yet another of those meddlesome ?positive reviews? of their least favorite movie. Isn?t that just so considerate of me?

This review is an intelligent, reasonable, understandable defense of KOTCS, and, by thunder, I have half a mind to call this fella up and invite him to dinner. I am not kidding.

After 19 years of waiting, Indiana Jones fans such as myself were finally treated to a fourth installment during the summer of 2008. Despite attaining great success at the box office, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was regarded by a large portion of critics and audiences as a disappointment. I guess I'm in the minority. I have now seen the film four times, and each time I have only grown to love this movie more. As far as I'm concerned, it is very much a worthy entry into the Indy canon. Call me crazy, but first permit me to give you an idea of where I am coming from.

The Indiana Jones films have always been about goofy, over-the-top fun. Somehow, as time has gone by, viewers have granted too much significance to the films. I am not meaning to imply that they should not be considered to be great films. I mean that we are starting to take them too seriously. The Indiana Jones films do not represent the pinnacle of cinematic drama or storytelling. They represent the ultimate height of giddy joy. Think of that moment in the map room during Raiders of the Lost Ark when Indy discovers the location of the Ark of the Covenant. That's what these movies are all about.

Joy is a quality that is severely lacking in far too much of modern cinema. Audiences today tend to like their action movies grim and ominous. Now, I've got nothing against the Jason Bourne films or the current version of the James Bond franchise?but by golly, it's nice to have an action flick here and there that is better described as "fun" or "delightful" rather than "hardcore" or "gritty." This movie is jam-packed with the kind of B-movie excitement that infused the other films in the franchise. Just look at the way it opens, with a group of 1950s teens roaring down the road while blasting Elvis Presley's "You Ain't Nothing But a Hound Dog." The teens come across a pack of American military vehicles and challenge one of them to a race. That giddy moment sets the tone for the film, and it never lets up over the course of the entire two hours.

Some have complained that this Indy film is much too silly. The scene most frequently referenced is the funny moment in which Indy survives a nuclear blast by placing himself inside a lead-lined refrigerator. That's absolutely preposterous, certainly. But Indy's inexplicable ability to survive impossible situations is part of what has always endeared him to me.

Consider that sequence in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, in which Indy and his friends manage to survive a long plummet from an airplane using an inflatable raft, and then manage to survive yet another enormous drop into a raging river. If a cheap inflatable raft can help someone survive a fall of thousands of feet then a lead-lined fridge can get someone through a nuclear blast.

Of course, if you think that both scenes are equally obnoxious, then I simply have no case to make with you. Your view of what an action movie should be is obviously different than mine. But it's frankly hypocritical to attack this film for silliness while defending the other three. Has this era of hyper-realism ruined us?

When I saw the movie for the first time, I had a nice long laugh at the action scenes in the film, which were obviously intended to be funny and over-the-top in a goofy manner. I was frankly startled when I came home and discovered that internet message boards were whining about all the ridiculous scenes in this movie. You may say that Shia LeBeouf swinging through the trees with a bunch of monkeys is a terrible travesty of an idea. I say that it's so blatantly outlandish that it's somehow inspired.

In some ways, it seems like this is a film that Steven Spielberg was always destined to make. It takes all of his favorite themes and concepts and blends them together into an immensely entertaining stew. Yes, like Spielberg's other three Indy films, it is a throwback to B-movie of the 1930s and 1940s. Actually, this one is also a throwback to the sci-fi B-movies of the 1950s (the era in which the film is set), which is responsible for the slight change in tone from the previous three outings. That also allows Spielberg to continue to explore his alien fetish (Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T., War of the Worlds), though to be fair, that portion of the film was proposed by George Lucas.

As if that weren't enough, Spielberg also tosses in some good old childhood abandonment issues. It should feel like a vanity project, but it doesn't. That's largely because Spielberg, Lucas, Ford, Koepp, and everyone else have no greater goal in mind than to make the viewer grin from ear to ear. If that's not a worthy goal, I simply don't know what is.

As with the previous Indy outings, this one features loads of exciting action sequences in a wide variety of locations. There's a frantic scuffle with some Russians, a wild motorcycle chase across a college campus, a spooky encounter with some South American natives, and a comically-organized car chase through the jungle (yes, you heard that correctly).

Like the Bond movies, the Indy films have their beguiling conventions. In previous film, we have slimy encounters with rats, snakes, and bugs. Here, we get some giant killer ants. There's also the usual set of obstacles that must be braved in order to reach an important goal. As always, the reward at the end of the journey is peculiar and bittersweet at best.

Many doubted that Harrison Ford would be able to successfully play the role at this point in time. The actor may be in his sixties, but he's as terrific as ever here. Ford's low-key, grinning, growling charm is in full force in this movie. The actor has seemed bored with many of his recent roles, but here you can see that glimmer of delight back in his eyes.

At long last, he is joined again by Karen Allen (The Perfect Storm) as Marion Ravenwood. There have been other women, but we all knew that none of them counted. For Indy, there has only ever been one woman, and at long last the filmmakers have realized that. Allen hasn't been onscreen too often in recent times, and it's a thrill to discover that she's as wonderful as ever. Twenty-seven years later, the chemistry is still there.

Shia LaBeouf actually manages to be pretty likable in the role of Mutt, Indy's young sidekick. John Hurt manages to seem as if he is always hiding some sort of delightful secret, and Ray Winstone reprises his sleazy double-crossing role from Ripley's Game.

I loved Cate Blanchett as a relentlessly determined villain. Blanchett pushes the role so far that she ceases to be frightening and starts to become appallingly funny, which is precisely what she should be. I would go so far as to say that she is the finest villain to grace an Indy film to date. The previous films have all had a "champagne" villain and a creepy heavy. This movie only has Blanchett. That's okay. She has enough vigor to fill both roles, and maybe a couple more.

I hope there are some of you out there who love this film as much as I do. The film is a love letter to Indiana Jones fans, and it contains everything I've ever loved about the movies. As for the rest of you?well, take heart. I hear they're making a prequel to 300.
 

Lance Quazar

Well-known member
ResidentAlien said:
Of course it can only be fair if it agrees with you.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

The movie fails, not because it isn't "gritty" or "hyper-real" like Bourne, Bond or Batman, but because it falls miserably short of the standards set by the other films in its own franchise.
 

Crack that whip

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"Fair" can also refer to a metric of quality itself, as in "great, good, fair, etc.," of course.

I'm a bit mystified by the thread subject - there have already been a pretty, well, fair (heh) number of reviews that pegged the movie about the same as this one, going all the way back to May '08 - but that said, I think it's a fair review, indeed. Most of them probably are, whether they say the movie is lousy, great or somewhere in between.

I will say it's not exactly demonstrable fact the movie does fall short of the standards of the others - I might actually agree with that assessment myself, at least with regard to certain points, but I wouldn't say it's definitively the case. At the end of the day, it's still a movie that reportedly pleased the great majority of people who saw it, and for which a hair over three quarters of the reviews were positive according to RT, and which of course made a pile of money. Given that, I think it "fails" only against the expectations / demands of some individual viewers, and not in anything approaching a general consensus.
 

JP Jones

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YES,YES,YES,YES, finally someone who understands that Indiana Jones isn't about drama and story. It's about a good ol' fun time. There wasn't a point in that review I disagreed with.:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 

Darth Vile

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Which article did this review come from kongisking? You should always name the source... ;)

Whilst I agree with most of the sentiment, I like to see some light and shade within a review... this is too much "light", which sort of makes you think "what's his game?". After all, KOTCS is not a perfect movie.

I do like the point about Marion, because as much criticism as her screen time gets, I think there is more "chemistry" between her and Indy in one page of dialogue than there is in the other sequels combined.
 

Cole

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Any review that can logically and sufficiently explain why they feel the way they do about the movie.......then I think it's a fair review.

Unfortuntely more often than not we get "aliens don't belong in Indy" or "CGI sucks." There's just no intelligent thought here.
 
Dr.Jonesy said:
No...it makes very good points. Especially on the hypocrisy of the criticism.


That's not an argument. You might very well hate me, but it is not any sort of argument to refute my claim by merely being contrary.

The fact is that there has been many valid, FAIR criticism on this silly movie from both sides of the fence. Kingiskong, in his typical biased way, introduces this review and presses that it is "at last" a "fair review" as if there had been no fair criticism before because criticism tended toward the negative. That is both closed-minded and juvenile.

Just as was your worthless, uninformative response to my message. I made a point. You were merely contrary.
 

deckard24

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ResidentAlien said:
Of course it can only be fair if it agrees with you.
Agreed!

The review sounds like it was written by a fan, and not an actual unbiased critic.

I'll be curious to hear who wrote it.
 

Dr.Jonesy

Well-known member
ResidentAlien said:
That's not an argument. You might very well hate me, but it is not any sort of argument to refute my claim by merely being contrary.

The fact is that there has been many valid, FAIR criticism on this silly movie from both sides of the fence. Kingiskong, in his typical biased way, introduces this review and presses that it is "at last" a "fair review" as if there had been no fair criticism before because criticism tended toward the negative. That is both closed-minded and juvenile.

Just as was your worthless, uninformative response to my message. I made a point. You were merely contrary.

I wrote that "worthless" message because I don't consider you worthy of more than a 10 sentence reply.

And I never said that there hasn't been a fair review, I just agreed that the review did point out the hypocrisy of the critics.

And my message could be considered worthless, but it was alot shorter of a read than your annoying replies that are usually quite long and contain nothing more than rhetorical diarrhea.

We know your views quite well, and they are demonstrated endlessly, shall I say "KOCKS"; which is REALLY witty I must say...

I merely stated that the review was fair in pointing out critical hypocrisy; how is that juvenile?

Your hostility towards this film is what is juvenile as is your demeanor, most of the time.

The review is fair just like most of the other reviews that don't constantly gripe about CGI, aliens or prairie dogs.

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8 sentences including this one spent on you which is okay since I didn't pass the 10 sentence mark I think your worth.
:hat:
I don't hate you, I WUV you!
(y)
 
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Dr.Jonesy

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deckard24 said:
Agreed!

The review sounds like it was written by a fan, and not an actual unbiased critic.

I'll be curious to hear who wrote it.


It might've been written by a fan, it may not have been. I really don't care who wrote it to tell you the truth.

Positive or not, it's still just a review.
;)
 
Dr.Jonesy said:
I wrote that "worthless" message because I don't consider you worthy of more than a 10 sentence reply.

And I never said that there hasn't been a fair review, I just agreed that the review did point out the hypocrisy of the critics.

And my message could be considered worthless, but it was alot shorter of a read than your annoying replies that are usually quite long and contain nothing more than rhetorical diarrhea.

We know your views quite well, and they are demonstrated endlessly, shall I say "KOCKS"; which is REALLY witty I must say...

I merely stated that the review was fair in pointing out critical hypocrisy; how is that juvenile?

Your hostility towards this film is what is juvenile as is your demeanor, most of the time.

The review is fair just like most of the other reviews that don't constantly gripe about CGI, aliens or prairie dogs.

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8 sentences including this one spent on you which is okay since I didn't pass the 10 sentence mark I think your worth.
:hat:
I don't hate you, I WUV you!
(y)


YOU'RE


You're not worth more than that, quite frankly. Your intellect is clearly far too meager for me to expend further energy upon. Though, were I so worthless, I find it odd that you'd deign to respond to me at all... Great logical dilemma there...
 

Cole

New member
ResidentAlien said:
YOU'RE


You're not worth more than that, quite frankly. Your intellect is clearly far too meager for me to expend further energy upon. Though, were I so worthless, I find it odd that you'd deign to respond to me at all... Great logical dilemma there...
You just copied what the other guy said. At least come up with your own stuff....
 

deckard24

New member
Dr.Jonesy said:
It might've been written by a fan, it may not have been. I really don't care who wrote it to tell you the truth.

Positive or not, it's still just a review.
;)
Yeah it's still a review, but as for it being 'fair', I can't agree with that. That's like me starting a thread to support my disdain for Skull, with a review that completely slams it.
 
deckard24 said:
Yeah it's still a review, but as for it being 'fair', I can't agree with that. That's like me starting a thread to support my disdain for Skull, with a review that completely slams it.


Exactly!

And of course you know you and I would be slammed for that very thing.


Talk about hypocrisy, Dr.
 

Dr.Jonesy

Well-known member
ResidentAlien said:
YOU'RE


You're not worth more than that, quite frankly. Your intellect is clearly far too meager for me to expend further energy upon. Though, were I so worthless, I find it odd that you'd deign to respond to me at all... Great logical dilemma there...

My apologies for my major inexcusable grammatical error.
:sick:
You see it is sometimes easy to misuse the correct type of "Your" just as it is easy to mix up "Their and there" for some people. I occasionally do that when typing, but seldom does it happen. I was typing a bit too fast and didn't notice the typo. I'm usually a "Grammar Nazi" but have so far refrained from criticizing other user's grammatical errors in favor of ignoring them and responding to their reply or retort, because it is more worthwhile. Obviously you have run out of things to say to me, so you choose to correct my grammar. Wow, you are clearly outwitting me!

A typo! One hell of a mark of sheer stupidity!

As for the logical dilemma, I stated you were worth only 10 sentences. I didn't say you were worthy of no reply at all. Now, I obviously have gone over 10 sentences in this reply, merely because I enjoy screwing with you and would like to correct you on your reply.

I said you were worth a few sentences of a reply, yet you ask why I replied at all and call it a logical dilemma. Seems to me that you are illiterate because I stated clearly what I thought you were worth and replied within those limits. If you truly read my post you'd have understood that.

I consider you worth more than 10 sentences now because you helped me with my grammar! Thank you so much! Hope you enjoyed my longer reply.
 
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Dr.Jonesy

Well-known member
ResidentAlien said:
Exactly!

And of course you know you and I would be slammed for that very thing.


Talk about hypocrisy, Dr.


It would only be hypocrisy if I slammed you. I wouldn't unless you were being an ass about your opinions and being nasty to fellow posters with opposing views. Which you are.

Don't tell me it's hypocrisy if I have never slammed anyone for displaying disdain for KOTCS. I've only slammed you a few times because you are quite rude, sometimes.

*Psst!* RA, make sure my post is grammatically correct! Because if it isn't, it'll make you look really smart if you correct me in your next retort!
:rolleyes:
 
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