God's Plan
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RaideroftheArk
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Pale Horse said:
Right...by some guy.
kongisking
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AngieAki said:
More proof that Christians and such are constantly tripping over themselves trying to justify bad things happening. Like I've said many times: religion is full of loopholes. Religious people just keep running into them.
The Drifter
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I see what you are talking about. It is a parable that Jesus is speaking, no? Anyway, I like this line he says in verse 11 of that chapter "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."
I am going to leave this topic. I do not want to see this heat up as I fear it will do sooner or later.
I am going to leave this topic. I do not want to see this heat up as I fear it will do sooner or later.
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RaideroftheArk said:
Chuckle. Some guy said E=MC squared. Some see it, some don't. From what I've seen, I would say it's easy to lead people around. It's just like leading sheep.
Pale Horse said:
AngieAki said:
Who ever said we had free will? Where is that noted, especially in the context of the Bible and God's plans?
RaideroftheArk
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Pale Horse said:
Ok...I'll agree with that.
Nurhachi1991
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Man I get a kick out of everyone always criticizing Christianity and Catholisms exclusively it must be the new hip thing to do......
Lets look at the flaws in other religions I will start
Buddhism what kind of wacky stuff is that? So Buddha sat under a tree for 20 years and people believe that?
Come on.
Lets look at the flaws in other religions I will start
Buddhism what kind of wacky stuff is that? So Buddha sat under a tree for 20 years and people believe that?
Come on.
WillKill4Food
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Couldn't have said it better myself.Moedred said:
Let's not. This could only lead to chaos.Nurhachi1991 said:
I am not a Buddhist and I don't see that as a way to salvation, but I learned long ago not to analyze the beliefs of others.Nurhachi1991 said:
The only theological debates that can occur with any sense of logic concern whether a "God" exists or whether we are alone; by this I mean whether the universe was created/guided by an "invisible hand" or whether everything is just coincidence.
The argument for Christianity is, unfortunately, frail in that it is equal in strength to the argument for any other religion.
You can look at an incident or an object and say that it was guided or created by a "God," but you cannot under any circumstances use logic to decide who created the object, except that it was created by a "God."
Don't get me wrong - I am a Christian.
But I refuse to resume the old argument of my God did this, yours didn't.
While logic can, to some extent, determine if you worship, nothing short of faith can determine who you worship.
[WARNING: THEOLOGY BELOW!!!]
My understanding has always been that God, being that He is omnipotent, (omniscient, omnipresent, omni-etc.) has, from the beginning of time, known what will transpire and who will turn to Him.
However, He does not force His creations (us) to choose him as a savior, hence free-will.
Thus, He is out of our business unless we pray the "sinner's prayer of salvation" and turn to Him for guidance and salvation.
It is only then that God "interferes" with our lives.
The major way that God does this is through choosing to acknowledge and fulfill our prayers or not.
And it is that decision that adheres to "God's plan."
You see, according to Christianity, there was a time when God's will was being followed through - that'd be in Eden.
But, being that we are mere humans, the first of our kind were greedy and, well, you know the rest of the story.
In an attempt to be like God, they succumbed to temptation and lost their eternal lives and their position in Eden.
By accepting Christ as our Saviour, we acknowledge his glory and grace; and our subsequent prayers are either answered or rejected, depending on whether or not it would be in our best interests and the best interests of our acquaintances.
For instance, you may pray to win the lottery. Obviously, gambling is a sin, but even still, there are other reasons God may not answer your prayer.
Perhaps, another family that really needs the money more should win in your stead.
Or, perhaps, He knows that if you get the money you'll become greedy and selfish and reject Him.
Of course, that's probably a bad example. But I think you understand what I'm trying to say.
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AngieAki
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Do you even know what Buddhism is about? I don't think I have ever heard this "20 years" story before. Buddha sat under the tree and heavily meditated and didn't leave until he was enlightened.Nurhachi1991 said:
Here is some stuff on Buddhism, the 4 Noble Truths
1. Suffering
Suffering and frustration come from our difficulty in facing the basic fact of life that everything around us is impermanent and transitory. Rich or poor, average or gifted, all life is subjected to the following: the trauma of birth, the pathology of sickness, the fear of physical and mental degeneration, the phobia of death, karmically to be tied to what one distastes, or to be separated from what one loves. "All things must arise and pass away."
2. Desire
The cause of suffering and frustration occurs because out of ignorance, we divide the perceived world into individual and separate things. The desire to pull apart from the rest of life and seek fulfillment for the separated self, at the expense of all other forms of life, causes suffering to the whole, as Life is One Being. Our duty to our brothers and sisters is to understand them as extensions, other aspects of ourselves, as fellow facets of the same reality.
3. Suffering and Frustration Can Be Ended
If the cause of life?s suffering is those inclinations which tend to continue or increase separativeness, in fact all forms of selfish craving, then its cure lies in the overcoming of such cravings. If we can be released from the narrow limits of self- interest into the vast expanse of universal life, we will be free of our torment.
The overcoming of desire is through substitution of the personal wants with divine inclinations.
4. The Eightfold Path to Enlightenment
The way out of our captivity is through the Eightfold Path to Enlightenment:
Right Understanding leads to Wisdom
Right Aspiration leads to Divine Inclination
Right Speech leads to Truth and Understanding
Right Behavior leads to Goodwill
Right Livelihood leads to Sharing
Right Effort leads to Highest Outcome
Right Mindfulness leads to Purposeful Living
Right Absorbtion leads to Unity
http://www.souledout.org/wesak/storybuddha.html
Nurhachi1991
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AngieAki said:
So....................... Sounds like something Yoda would tell you! " Luke not ready are you"
Everyone is bagging on Christians and Catholics but they get offended when people make a remark about another religion........ Interesting very interesting
The Drifter
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Nurhachi1991 said:
That is why I don't say much in threads like this. It's okay for others to bash my faith, but I can't even question theirs or others.
WillKill4Food said:
This may be a semantic point, but isn't that Free-Choice, as opposed to Free-Will?
We can't will away evil/sin; but we can choose to avoid our association with sin, to the capacity our sinful nature permit us. Unless you chose the Buddhist path of transcendentalism, of course.
AngieAki
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I don't care if people question my beliefs.Lonsome_Drifter said:
I don't expect anything less from you.
But if I see someone is ignorantly bashing a religion without even trying to understand then I do say something.
I am trying to understand Christianity.
That is why I ask questions.
I do try to do so with respect also, and I appoligize if I have not.
Nurhachi1991
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AngieAki said:
Than question other Religions without defending them.........
Most people that bash Christians do not know the first thing about them.
" Feel don't think use your instincts"
Nurhachi1991
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What I'm saying is that why does everyone seem to always question Christianity? I don't get it and when someone points out a flaw in another religion everyone gets bent out of shape.
What doesnt make sense about Christianity? It seems pretty straightforward to me.
What doesnt make sense about Christianity? It seems pretty straightforward to me.
Nurhachi1991 said:
That's the trouble with truth
Holy Bible said:
"you can't handle the truth"....whoops, wrong thread!
AngieAki
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You didn't point out a flaw in Buddhism, you made an ignorant comment.Nurhachi1991 said:
Why do you think people should just blindly accept things without thinking about them?
What doesn't make sense? The whole God's plan thing.
Oh and that man is the most important species on Earth.
It is so pretentious.
Nurhachi1991
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AngieAki said:
People make ignorant comments all the time about Jesus or Christans or both so who cares if I made one about another religion.
What is there to think about??? Either you accept Christ or you don't it is not that hard.