Finn said:
Ever read James Joyce's <i>Odysseus</i>? Again, it is not a bad thing that a story is told the long way, even if there is a way to tell it using the short way.
Finn, I posted a thread on Joyce's Ulysses about month ago in the Off Topic section--I'd post a link to it but I'm in a hurry (unless you already saw the thread.
Anyway, back to LoTR. Ren, no offence--you know I love you like a brother...or a crazy uncle that I don't see often...but you kind of sound like AntiJones when it comes to LoTR fans. I've read the books and seen the movies, and I think what he was trying to do was create a new mythology by building on the old ones--I mean there are elements of King Arthur, the Saga of the Volsungs, Wagner's Ring Cycle, etc. Although I admit the first two books do drag a bit at times, RoTK is amazing, as far as action, drama, story...it has it all.
The movies reminded me a a grand opera in the Wagner tradition: big, loud, epic scale. I really enjoy watching a long movie because that is true STORYtelling. Most times when you go to a movie you don't get a story, you get a PLOT or a situation. But a story takes it's time, it has details that make the world you are watching on the sceen more believable. LoTR takes it's time with the details because that's the heart of storytelling. What's the phrase? "God is in the details." I don't think people who hate LoTR are dumb, it's just not your cup of tea. And people who appreciate it aren't dumb either.
You also have to appreciate the imagination that could come up with these entire world, to the point that there are maps, alphabets and languages that make this universe more...lived in I guess; more real. It's the details, man. I mean this whole thing came out of this guy's mind. That never ceases to amaze me, with anything: music, art, poetry, film. All expressions of imagination just blow me away. As long as it is pure and true.
By the way Ren, I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with LoTR fans.
Oh yeah, my least favorite movies are "Men at Work" with Charlie Sheen, "Titanic"--dumbest ending ever (look for my thread on THAT real soon)...you know I can't think of any other movies that I can say I hated. There are alot of movies I am indifferent towards, but not many that emotionally charge me to hate them. Go figure.